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I would personally prefer a state similar to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". It's not so different from our own now except there's less friction between each "caste". People see it as a dystopian world but given the current state of our nation, my trust in the intelligence of people to make a democracy work becomes dimmer by the day. It's hard to place my trust in a country where 77% of adults believe in angels and only a little more than half accept evolution over creationism.


You make it sound like people should be forced to believe in Evolution, you do realize you live the US, where people can choose to believe in what they want, right? And where they have religious freedom?


He likely does believe that. I've met people who do, and his comments here and elsewhere seem similar to the people I've seen advocating that position.

For the record, anything resembling that "Brave New World" is abhorrent to me. Besides, if you're concerned with the fact that people believe in God, I will assume that you're at least good-willed enough to have that attitude because you like truth. In Huxley's world, truth was actively concealed from all but a very few rulers on top, and any kind of useful thinking was stamped out.
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Democracy + socialism
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An ideal government would be one that doesn't exist. Because in an ideal world, we wouldn't need a government. Alas, we don't live in an ideal world.
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Democracy is over rated.
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The one that works for the people of the country. If it is a monarchy, then it is so. If a republic, then it is so.
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I'd have to say a Republic; and by republic I mean the Roman definition where the government is accountable to the people, not necessarily one where we elect representatives.

Our modern concept of Republic has Rome changing from "Republic" to "Empire" with either the ascension of Julius Caesar or Augustus, depending on whom you ask, but the Romans still saw having an Emperor as consistent with their idea of Republic.


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Democracy, but a true democracy not a republic. A republic was used because time and distance prevented every citizen from voting. We have automobiles, emails and telephones now, negating a need for a republic. We vote on propositions all the time anyway; so why do we allow politicians to control some aspects of government, but we the people vote on others? This would force people to make some what informed decisions rather than lending their voice to some empty suit who is just a qualified as they are to make important decisions.


Now, this is going to get me a lot of hate, but I don't necessarily think that everyone deserves a vote. Let me clarify. I don't want stupid, uninformed people being able to screw up the government by elect unsuitable candidates. I also recognize that such a system has the potential to create an "elite", disconnected class, but at the same time would you want someone who knew nothing about flying a plane to be the pilot of your plane? Or a chef who has never cooked before to cook your food?

There is no such thing as a perfect system, just people who are as close to perfect to the job as possible.
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Direct Democracy. It's a type of representative democracy where the people can (with enough popular support) force a referendum on anything. It allows the people to veto unpopular legislation and virtually eliminates the corruption caused by inter-party collusion.


Bowie-Sensei wrote:

Now, this is going to get me a lot of hate, but I don't necessarily think that everyone deserves a vote. Let me clarify. I don't want stupid, uninformed people being able to screw up the government by elect unsuitable candidates. I also recognize that such a system has the potential to create an "elite", disconnected class, but at the same time would you want someone who knew nothing about flying a plane to be the pilot of your plane? Or a chef who has never cooked before to cook your food?


I feel that Direct Democracy, in combination with good education should eliminate the need to deny the right to vote to certain people, with the possible exceptions of mentally disabled people and prisoners.
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Ideally? A world where humans can get along autonomously without needing outside arbitration to solve problems between them. That world doesn't exist, so I think democracy does a pretty decent job balancing the common good.
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The government that actually governs least is the best. Government is coercive in that is the system by which a state or community is controlled. In principle, the least coercive means the best that can achieve communal control with the lowest force possible. The rub is we all define acceptable control differently.
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What do you think? What is your most ideal form of government?


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there really is no ideal. I think if anything there crucial elements needed in order to provide a well established government. For example, a government that adapts to new cultures, time periods and needs. The laws that may have applied 100 years ago back then, need to be adjusted for today's society. New laws need to be created to fit modern science or technology, etc.
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MonoDreams wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:

I would personally prefer a state similar to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". It's not so different from our own now except there's less friction between each "caste". People see it as a dystopian world but given the current state of our nation, my trust in the intelligence of people to make a democracy work becomes dimmer by the day. It's hard to place my trust in a country where 77% of adults believe in angels and only a little more than half accept evolution over creationism.


You make it sound like people should be forced to believe in Evolution, you do realize you live the US, where people can choose to believe in what they want, right? And where they have religious freedom?


I am aware of that but as an atheist, despite being raised as a Catholic, I cannot begin to fathom what the kind of mental gymnastics any adult in this modern age have to perform in order to justify faith or religion for that matter. These same people are quick to believe in the most absurd conspiracy theories yet meet every scientific finding with denial. Not doubt or sketpicism, which would be appropriate, but denial of facts. The fact that the "anti-vaxxer" movement is an ongoing situation, to me, is ridiculous. I guess the bottom line of what I'm saying is that there are way too many gullible and poorly-educated people with poor critical thinking skills who are given the right to vote in America.
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national socialism or anarcho-capitalism
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If your in the United States your living it.

Capitalism by far, throughout human history it has been One person who ruled the masses until a couple people came up with an idea of man being free.

Socialism, Communism has all been tried and repeatedly fail.

Capitalism is the only form of government that lifts people out of poverty and improve their way of life
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AkatsukiDoc wrote:

If your in the United States your living it.

Capitalism by far, throughout human history it has been One person who ruled the masses until a couple people came up with an idea of man being free.

Socialism, Communism has all been tried and repeatedly fail.

Capitalism is the only form of government that lifts people out of poverty and improve their way of life


I'm calling bs. There are plenty forms of governance outside of traditional 'American' capitalism that function heaps better then America is at the moment on a wide range of issues. Scandinavian countries practically blow us out of the water in economy wise.

Capitalism is not synonymous with freedom. You can live in multiple forms of capitalism that don't give freedom.

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AkatsukiDoc wrote:

If your in the United States your living it.

Capitalism by far, throughout human history it has been One person who ruled the masses until a couple people came up with an idea of man being free.

Socialism, Communism has all been tried and repeatedly fail.

Capitalism is the only form of government that lifts people out of poverty and improve their way of life


The united states is far from an ideal government.

Even Australians government a mix of democracy + socialism is more ideal then Americas.

Last time i checked America doesn't have health as a right among other things.


An ideal government is democracy but where the rich help the poor and those who cannot live and everyone pays taxes to help eachother out healthcare wise etc.

Of course thats my opinion ideals are just opinions in the end.
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