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Yeah true Ryulightorb, In my opinion though healthcare is a privilege not a right.

It is a privilege to grow up in this era of time where healthcare as made so many advances and improvements.
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Hey mxdan. if they are so great why dont you move to one of those countries.

Why does everyone sacrifice everything they have to try to get here.

Capitalism is what ended making everyone on earth free.

When you have corrupted politicians like we have had that turns capitalism into crony capitalism.

Trying to compare one of the Scandinavian Countries to the US is comparing apples to oranges
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we should start to copy star trek so far they are the only ones that got it right. we need a world president similar to what was in star trek deep space nine. Also money needs to go to I honestly don't know how its going to work once we become a multi planet specie's if I live my entire life on the moon or mars why do I need money if I don't plan on going back to earth
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frjoethesecond wrote:

Direct Democracy. It's a type of representative democracy where the people can (with enough popular support) force a referendum on anything. It allows the people to veto unpopular legislation and virtually eliminates the corruption caused by inter-party collusion.


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Now, this is going to get me a lot of hate, but I don't necessarily think that everyone deserves a vote. Let me clarify. I don't want stupid, uninformed people being able to screw up the government by elect unsuitable candidates. I also recognize that such a system has the potential to create an "elite", disconnected class, but at the same time would you want someone who knew nothing about flying a plane to be the pilot of your plane? Or a chef who has never cooked before to cook your food?


I feel that Direct Democracy, in combination with good education should eliminate the need to deny the right to vote to certain people, with the possible exceptions of mentally disabled people and prisoners.


Then you still run into the issue of the willfully ignorant. Those who choose not to pursue any higher education, and don't really follow politics, or look too deeply into what is being said or read anything. These type of people will exist no matter the quality of education available.

While a direct democracy may work for someplace like Switzerland, the world isn't Switzerland, and a fair amount of stupid people tend to live in America.
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Yeah true Ryulightorb, In my opinion though healthcare is a privilege not a right.

It is a privilege to grow up in this era of time where healthcare as made so many advances and improvements.


Forgive me, but I am not sure how free healthcare leads to a Stalin style government. It seems faulty to connect the two without a real understanding of the millions of other policies that make up communism in the first place. In any case, healthcare for the poor can be achieved in a democratic government and a capitalistic economy, because it isn't a case of one or the other.
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Then you still run into the issue of the willfully ignorant. Those who choose not to pursue any higher education, and don't really follow politics, or look too deeply into what is being said or read anything. These type of people will exist no matter the quality of education available.

While a direct democracy may work for someplace like Switzerland, the world isn't Switzerland, and a fair amount of stupid people tend to live in America.



Yeah the majority of stupid people in America are KIDS between the ages of 18 and 30 that get indoctrinated by liberal high schools and colleges that teach opinions and not facts
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Posted 1/27/17

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AkatsukiDoc wrote:

If your in the United States your living it.

Capitalism by far, throughout human history it has been One person who ruled the masses until a couple people came up with an idea of man being free.

Socialism, Communism has all been tried and repeatedly fail.

Capitalism is the only form of government that lifts people out of poverty and improve their way of life


I'm calling bs. There are plenty forms of governance outside of traditional 'American' capitalism that function heaps better then America is at the moment on a wide range of issues. Scandinavian countries practically blow us out of the water in economy wise.

Capitalism is not synonymous with freedom. You can live in multiple forms of capitalism that don't give freedom.



Too small of a scale, not enough people. Those systems only work with low populations with wealth, ie Scandinavia.
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Sorry peripheral as much as you want to think free healthcare is free.
Its not someone is paying for it.
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Too small of a scale, not enough people. Those systems only work with low populations with wealth, ie Scandinavia.

Thanks for clarifying that Steelmonk
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Sorry peripheral as much as you want to think free healthcare is free.
Its not someone is paying for it.


I never said it was free in that sense, but free to those who can't understandably pay for it, and that such a system is not what makes Stalinist dictatorships magically show up.
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We had healthcare for those who couldnt afford it. i was on it. its called medicaid until Obama totally messed up our healthcare system.

And once you have the Federal Government take control of the healthcare system, they have the most private information about you that should just be between you and your doctor.

Its not about healthcare for everyone, its about control.
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Posted 1/27/17 , edited 1/27/17

AkatsukiDoc wrote:

We had healthcare for those who couldnt afford it. i was on it. its called medicaid until Obama totally messed up our healthcare system.

And once you have the Federal Government take control of the healthcare system, they have the most private information about you that should just be between you and your doctor.

Its not about healthcare for everyone, its about control.


I feel you. The Democratic party certainly did not do a good job. I posit the cause as a loyalty to various lobbying groups that supported such measures, more so for the cash flow than a love of the people. You are entirely right, we are living in a land of Crony Capitalism.
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Yeah well put at least we can agree on that Peripheral.

And we need to be able to converse like this for progress to be made.
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There are two that i believe have the potential to create a smooth-running and incorruptible government.
1. Direct democracy
It eliminates the politics and sluggishness of traditional government. With the efficiency of the internet nowadays, it's easy for the common citizen to be informed and vote on issues directly, as well as make propositions. And although there is the risk of a "mob mentality," with proper education it's less of a problem. It would also remove the influence of special interests and save so much money from politicians' salaries and wasteful spending.
2. A government similar to the one from Plato's The republic.
Those with the aptitude and altruism to lead will be given positions of leadership, while those who don't will be given other roles. The military would also be lead by well qualified people, leading to intelligent military strategy with regard for human life. While it does remove most of the political influence of the producer class, the country would be run smoothly and free of corruption, so it wouldn't be as much of a concern. The producer class would also have arguably the most freedom, as they have more career choices and less overall responsibility than the military and ruler classes.
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Posted 1/27/17 , edited 1/27/17

AkatsukiDoc wrote:

Yeah true Ryulightorb, In my opinion though healthcare is a privilege not a right.

It is a privilege to grow up in this era of time where healthcare as made so many advances and improvements.


It has moved to the time where it should be considered a right.
Now where i live it's a right everyone is entitled to ...to not have it as a right just shows backwardness imo.
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