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Posted 2/3/17
No government seems fine to me.

How about we try some good ol' Rothbard?
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we need to copy star trek and have a world president and no currency money has to go at some point. once we start becoming a multi planet specie's I honestly don't know how money is going to work if I live my entire life on the moon or mars why do I need money if I have no plans to go to earth. we need to start to move towards a federation and unite as one specie's. Sadly the only way I see this possible in my life time is if we get invaded by aliens and we are forced to put aside our difference's. If this happens we are screwed we are simply not ready we don't have advanced enough technology to defend our self and its now know longer a question of if but when. The amount of noise our planet makes anyone within 100 light years with a sensitive enough sensor array can detect us.
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Federalism.


It is human nature for people to be different. The way the American Constitution was originally set up, each state could have their own flavor of government, as long as each state did not infringe upon a set of specified rights like free speech and freedom of religion. Anything else, not specified was left up to each state to decide.

So if you like socialism, a state could go full on socialism where everything was owned by the state just so they did not infringe on free speech and the other guaranteed rights. If you preferred to have less government and more freedom, you could have a state that was more libertarian. Yet all the states would work together for common interests like national defense.

Ideally, people would just move to the state they felt more comfortable in and everyone would get what they wanted.

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Made a fun little Japanese style poll so we could all vote on the form of government we think is best!

http://codeelf.com:3000/polecat/app/17020414861900026c1c08c780

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A republic government.

It's what the US government is, and I'm very happy with it. It amazes me that some people think we're a democracy, especially when those people are living in the US. It shows how quickly we forget what we learn in our history classes...

While true, we do have democracy in our government, it is only a small part of what a republic is.

People that are saying "direct democracy" in this thread, you don't need to add "direct". A government that is a democracy is already a "direct democracy".

I've watched this video, a few years ago, that explains the difference between a republic and a democracy very well. It also talks a bit about other forms of governments. It does have a bit of patriotic tone, a bit propaganda-ish, but it explains well why I'm proud of my country's form of government. Not so proud what's been going on lately since the election though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdS6fyUIklI

Edit: I also want to add that this YouTube video added some political statement for some campaign at the end. That was not there in the original I've seen as it wasn't on YouTube. But maybe I'm wrong... It's been quite a few years back since I've watched this.

Edit: I also want to say that the video eliminates thoughts of left-wing forms of government (communism on far left) and right-wring forms of government (fascism on far right). It instead uses a scale of total government control (clumping communism, fascism, nazism, monarchy all in one) on far left and anarchy on far right.

Edit: Putting aside the propaganda undertone in the video, it also gives a good history lesson on what ultimately seems to happen with any form of government. From the Ancient Greek Democracy to the Roman Republic, and even what could be happening to the US Republic today.
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Parliament.
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Gwenhwyf4r wrote:

A republic government.

It's what the US government is, and I'm very happy with it. It amazes me that some people think we're a democracy, especially when those people are living in the US. It shows how quickly we forget what we learn in our history classes...

While true, we do have democracy in our government, it is only a small part of what a republic is.

People that are saying "direct democracy" in this thread, you don't need to add "direct". A government that is a democracy is already a "direct democracy".

I've watched this video, a few years ago, that explains the difference between a republic and a democracy very well. It also talks a bit about other forms of governments. It does have a bit of patriotic tone, a bit propaganda-ish, but it explains well why I'm proud of my country's form of government. Not so proud what's been going on lately since the election though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdS6fyUIklI

Edit: I also want to add that this YouTube video added some political statement for some campaign at the end. That was not there in the original I've seen as it wasn't on YouTube. But maybe I'm wrong... It's been quite a few years back since I've watched this.

Edit: I also want to say that the video eliminates thoughts of left-wing forms of government (communism on far left) and right-wring forms of government (fascism on far right). It instead uses a scale of total government control (clumping communism, fascism, nazism, monarchy all in one) on far left and anarchy on far right.

Edit: Putting aside the propaganda undertone in the video, it also gives a good history lesson on what ultimately seems to happen with any form of government. From the Ancient Greek Democracy to the Roman Republic, and even what could be happening to the US Republic today.


Bread and circuses?
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Posted 2/4/17 , edited 2/4/17

gornotck wrote:


Gwenhwyf4r wrote:

A republic government.

It's what the US government is, and I'm very happy with it. It amazes me that some people think we're a democracy, especially when those people are living in the US. It shows how quickly we forget what we learn in our history classes...

While true, we do have democracy in our government, it is only a small part of what a republic is.

People that are saying "direct democracy" in this thread, you don't need to add "direct". A government that is a democracy is already a "direct democracy".

I've watched this video, a few years ago, that explains the difference between a republic and a democracy very well. It also talks a bit about other forms of governments. It does have a bit of patriotic tone, a bit propaganda-ish, but it explains well why I'm proud of my country's form of government. Not so proud what's been going on lately since the election though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdS6fyUIklI

Edit: I also want to add that this YouTube video added some political statement for some campaign at the end. That was not there in the original I've seen as it wasn't on YouTube. But maybe I'm wrong... It's been quite a few years back since I've watched this.

Edit: I also want to say that the video eliminates thoughts of left-wing forms of government (communism on far left) and right-wring forms of government (fascism on far right). It instead uses a scale of total government control (clumping communism, fascism, nazism, monarchy all in one) on far left and anarchy on far right.

Edit: Putting aside the propaganda undertone in the video, it also gives a good history lesson on what ultimately seems to happen with any form of government. From the Ancient Greek Democracy to the Roman Republic, and even what could be happening to the US Republic today.


Bread and circuses?


I was confused why you brought that up, but assumed it might have been something said in the video that might have confused you. My other guess was that you were using it as a negative statement on the video. I had to rewatch the video to see if that expression was ever used, haha.

"Bread and circuses" is a figure of speech, first used by a Roman satirical poet, Juvenal, to describe a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, it's used to describe the generation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion; distraction; or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace.

I believe circuses were a very popular form of entertainment in Ancient Rome, so that's how that expression came about. The Roman citizens started to care less about politics, letting the Roman Republic deteriorate. But when they did care, it was something in the form of entertainment or other shallow requirements... Something like that...

You can wiki the expression:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
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Posted 2/4/17
Social democracy.
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I'd advocate for a Socialist Democracy with elements of a meritocracy thrown in to level the playing field. A truly justified Government would not indulge in the various forms of corruption you see in modern day countries. And there is I believe a need to stop favouring the elite of a society over the masses like the USA and many other countries do as well.

Though at the same time I believe the blanket welfare state inherent to a Socialist Democracy needs some tweaking. While a citizen is entitled to the rights of healthcare, education , and other social programs designed to improve his or her style of life we can not simply hand it out like a present at Christmas. A citizen regardless of their familial conditions should have to prove their worth to the state . Though we should at the same time allow them a period of time to develop that worth before discarding them if they fail.
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I wonder what Marcus Octavius think about this Topic? :p

"Rome is more... more than princes, and palaces. it is a thought, an ideal, a vision of beauty, order and peace. My destiny is to create it again, in all its perfection"

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An Enlightened Monarchy, meaning a monarchy with a leader who actually cares about his people. One person ruling a country and doing it well seems to usually work out best.
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On paper? Communism. Realistically? Most likely a form of Social Democracy.
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AlastorCrow wrote:

I would personally prefer a state similar to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". It's not so different from our own now except there's less friction between each "caste". People see it as a dystopian world but given the current state of our nation, my trust in the intelligence of people to make a democracy work becomes dimmer by the day. It's hard to place my trust in a country where 77% of adults believe in angels and only a little more than half accept evolution over creationism.


As Ben Franklin was walking out of the hall holding the Constitutional Convention, a woman asked him "Sir, what kind of government have you given us?". He replied "A republic, madame. If you can keep it".

A lot of ignorant people think the United States is a democracy, and that pursuing democracy is part of our American culture. These people are ignorant and uneducated. The United States is not a democracy, and democracy is actually very un-American. The Founding Fathers wrote very horribly of democracy, and rightfully so. "Democracy" comes from Greek "demos" meaning "people" and "kratein" meaning "will". The defining trait of a democracy is that the will of the people(majority) becomes the law of the land. The Fathers saw that this inevitably becomes mob rule with a complete disregard for the rights of the individual, descending into oligarchy. This is partly why the Democratic party promotes the idea of democracy in America so much. It brings us at greater risk of mob rule, which will then give them the possibility of imposing the oligarchical, collectivist and authoritarian fascism they so desire. They will be able to rule over us.

An honest evaluation of history will show that government authority corrupts the people who wield it. As such, any person who desires good in the world will seek to minimize that corruption and, by necessity, limit the power of the government.
Posted 2/5/17 , edited 2/5/17
Well, it's not communism. That's for sure.
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