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this is a compilation of recently proposed legislation by GOP pertaining abortion
(GOP legislation against immigration: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-981165/gop-legislation-against-immigration#55650559 )

H.R.7 - No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7
tl;dr unless it's an emergency, can't use tax payer money for abortion.
status: 2 out of 4 complete, 101 cosponsors

H.R.36 - Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/36
tl;dr. abortion of fetus that can "feel pain" is a crime. supposedly, they can feel pain by week 20 of gestation.
status: 1 out of 4 complete, 81 cosponsors

H.R.37 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/37
tl;dr if a child miraculously survives abortion, it must be taken care of.
status: 1 out of 4 complete, 69 cosponsors

H.R.354 - Defund Planned Parenthood Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/354
tl;dr title is self-evident
status: 1 out of 4 complete, 133 cosponsors

H.R.490 - Heartbeat Protection Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/490
tl;dr unless it's an emergency, abortion on a fetus with heartbeat is a crime.
status: 1 out of 4 complete, lol 8 cosponsors

H.R.586 - Sanctity of Human Life Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/586
tl;dr legally define fertilized egg or cloned egg as a human being having all the rights and privileges defined in the Constitution (this means, an abortion would be qualified as 1st-degree murder)
status: 1 out of 4 complete, 23 cosponsors

H.R.692 - To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/692
tl;dr title is self-evident.
status: 1 out of 4 complete, 39 cosponsors

to become Law, the legislation must
step 1: be introduced
step 2: pass the House vote,
step 3: then pass the Senate vote,
step 4: and finally be approved by the President.

if anyone knows any other legislation currently introduced, please let me know. thanks!
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tl;dr unless it's an emergency, can't use tax payer money for abortion.


this will lead to a rise in children which means more people using tax payer money in general.
heh..
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Fuck these people. It's not bad enough to introduce a bunch of restrictions that benefit nobody and have no effect aside from making abortions harder, they have to outright remove the possibility of getting one through legitimate means? Oh wait, not even that is bad enough. They have to also completely remove a service that has helped an inumerable number of americans with becoming parents because they dared to perform completely legal operations that you dont like 4% of the time.

Fuck this garbage. This hateful tirade has no basis in science, logic and especially not in the american constitution. It's completely off-base. Idiocy in its purest form.
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The buckshot strategy. That's smart.
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Some of these make sense but wow...seriously?
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If abortion was legal in my state back in 2000 I would have been aborted .......


support abortion 2017!!
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heartbeat was introduced way back in Jan 12th and only have 8 cosponsors. there's hope it won't pass the House, considering some Republicans are actually against it (such as Ohio).
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Ryulightorb wrote:

tl;dr unless it's an emergency, can't use tax payer money for abortion.


this will lead to a rise in children which means more people using tax payer money in general.
heh..


Who do you think is going to be paying taxes to fund all of the tax payer supported programs? Killing off your tax base while importing unskilled unvaccinated foreigners whos goal is not to become citizens and put strain on those same services you are complaining about is not the way to grow a country.
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loganthered wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

tl;dr unless it's an emergency, can't use tax payer money for abortion.


this will lead to a rise in children which means more people using tax payer money in general.
heh..


Who do you think is going to be paying taxes to fund all of the tax payer supported programs? Killing off your tax base while importing unskilled unvaccinated foreigners whos goal is not to become citizens and put strain on those same services you are complaining about is not the way to grow a country.


How the hell did we get from abortion to immigration?
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Just making it illegal after the start of brain activity would be the smartest thing. Before that we know it's not a person. After that, we can't be certain. We don't know what makes us "us" and conscious, but we know it resides in the brain. After brain activity starts, we have no way (for now, at least) of knowing if the only difference between it and an infant is location.
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Just making it illegal after the start of brain activity would be the smartest thing. Before that we know it's not a person. After that, we can't be certain. We don't know what makes us "us" and conscious, but we know it resides in the brain. After brain activity starts, we have no way (for now, at least) of knowing if the only difference between it and an infant is location.


Finally an opinion on this topic regarding developmental biology that is actually informed by developmental biology.
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Advicepuppy wrote:

Just making it illegal after the start of brain activity would be the smartest thing. Before that we know it's not a person. After that, we can't be certain. We don't know what makes us "us" and conscious, but we know it resides in the brain. After brain activity starts, we have no way (for now, at least) of knowing if the only difference between it and an infant is location.

Sounds like you're in roughly the same boat as me.

I'm okay with abortions generally being illegal after the point of viability, which occurs between 24-28 weeks (so, let's just say 24). Actual brain wave activity starts fairly consistently at about 25 weeks..

Being male, I don't really feel it's my business what a woman can/should do with her body prior to the point where the fetus isn't wholly dependent on her for survival.

As to the bills..

Defunding Planned Parenthood is moronic. Plain and simple.

The sanctity of life act.. I disagree with (see above) for the most part. However, if it were based on the mother's intent I'd actually be fine with it. In essence: if a pregnant woman intends to carry a fetus to term, it should have human rights. Ergo, an attack that results in a terminated pregnancy should be murder, killing a pregnant woman should be a double homicide, etc. but abortions would not be (unless it was forced/coerced).
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Posted 1/28/17 , edited 1/28/17

loganthered wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

tl;dr unless it's an emergency, can't use tax payer money for abortion.


this will lead to a rise in children which means more people using tax payer money in general.
heh..


Who do you think is going to be paying taxes to fund all of the tax payer supported programs? Killing off your tax base while importing unskilled unvaccinated foreigners whos goal is not to become citizens and put strain on those same services you are complaining about is not the way to grow a country.


Those children might not even pay taxes most of them will be dropped off into orphanages.
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Advicepuppy wrote:

Just making it illegal after the start of brain activity would be the smartest thing. Before that we know it's not a person. After that, we can't be certain. We don't know what makes us "us" and conscious, but we know it resides in the brain. After brain activity starts, we have no way (for now, at least) of knowing if the only difference between it and an infant is location.


That's been my stance on the issue since around 2008 or so. I just can't for the life of me understand the mentality of banning potential rather than sentience. I mean by that view masturbation should also be illegal.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Those children might not even pay taxes most of them will be dropped off into orphanages.


Even for those where that might be the case, they wouldn't live in orphanages for their adult lives (when they would be paying taxes, anyway) unless they became employed by the orphanage as an adult.
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