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What the GOP needs to understand is that their freedom OF religion also means we have freedom FROM their religion.


The GOP isn't a religion... -_-


True, but why can't we they all be sensible GOP Republicans instead of religious nutjobs like Ted Cruz? Ted Cruz went to an Ivy League school, but he is so bigoted and religiously biased that it doesn't matter. People like him should stay out of politics.

Iunno. Perhaps there isn't a difference between Christian morals and the morals of an agnostic or Jewish. Aren't they still morals? Perhaps the problem is how devouted they are to them.


I'd have to think about that.
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MysticGon wrote:


Quarlo wrote:

What the GOP needs to understand is that their freedom OF religion also means we have freedom FROM their religion.


The GOP isn't a religion... -_-


True, but why can't we they all be sensible GOP Republicans instead of religious nutjobs like Ted Cruz? Ted Cruz went to an Ivy League school, but he is so bigoted and religiously biased that it doesn't matter. People like him should stay out of politics.

Iunno. Perhaps there isn't a difference between Christian morals and the morals of an agnostic or Jewish. Aren't they still morals? Perhaps the problem is how devouted they are to them.


I'd have to think about that.


You're overthinking it. Has very little to do with religion and more about how much it influences them. Most democrats identify as christian and yet they don't make decisions based on it. It has to do with conservatives, generally speaking, coming from a more conservative traditional christian place. Not whether they're jewish or christian.
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MysticGon wrote:


Quarlo wrote:

What the GOP needs to understand is that their freedom OF religion also means we have freedom FROM their religion.


The GOP isn't a religion... -_-


True, but why can't we they all be sensible GOP Republicans instead of religious nutjobs like Ted Cruz? Ted Cruz went to an Ivy League school, but he is so bigoted and religiously biased that it doesn't matter. People like him should stay out of politics.

Iunno. Perhaps there isn't a difference between Christian morals and the morals of an agnostic or Jewish. Aren't they still morals? Perhaps the problem is how devouted they are to them.


I'd have to think about that.


Sure go do that. For some it could be another ideology like conservatism and liberalism, capitalism and communism and so on...
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Unironically blaming Japan's birth crisis on abortions.



There might be some truth. Abortions have feel by a great deal in 2007, and with the estimated population increase due to births being 1.08 million.

Due to some math helpfully provided by Google. The Population of Japan would be 127.3 million. 9.3 deaths would be equivalent to 1,222,080 people dying.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=population+of+japan

http://www.indexmundi.com/japan/death_rate.html

An estimated number of 181,905 abortions were reported.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-japan.html

That adds up to....1,261,905 potentials births vs 1,222,080

Let's be clear. This is dangerous thinking. You might as well state that I should go around impregnating every Japanese High School girl to circumvent this, which to me makes as much sense as forcing women to not have abortions in order to fix what is essentially a cultural problem.
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Posted 1/29/17

MysticGon wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


Quarlo wrote:

What the GOP needs to understand is that their freedom OF religion also means we have freedom FROM their religion.


The GOP isn't a religion... -_-


True, but why can't we they all be sensible GOP Republicans instead of religious nutjobs like Ted Cruz? Ted Cruz went to an Ivy League school, but he is so bigoted and religiously biased that it doesn't matter. People like him should stay out of politics.

Iunno. Perhaps there isn't a difference between Christian morals and the morals of an agnostic or Jewish. Aren't they still morals? Perhaps the problem is how devouted they are to them.


I'd have to think about that.


Sure go do that. For some it could be another ideology like conservatism and liberalism, capitalism and communism and so on...


I imagine that much would be true. What is the difference between a religious nutjob and a misogynistic feminist? I do not really see a point in differing ideologies when it is their commitment that is the problem.
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Let me explain. It is clear that the GOP is intrinsically linked to religion. Religion is one of the three legs of the GOP stool that holds up the interests of their donors. Whenever anyone speaks about abortion it is generally in the context of it being a religious sin. Hell, Pence's speech at the recent rally was dripping with religious overtones with numerous references to God.

Sure there are non religious people who don't approve of abortion as well as religious people who see abortion as a personal right. But if we are talking in generalities then I believe it is fair to link any talk about the GOP and Abortion to Religion and Abortion.
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Let me explain. It is clear that the GOP is intrinsically linked to religion. Religion is one of the three legs of the GOP stool that holds up the interests of their donors. Whenever anyone speaks about abortion it is generally in the context of it being a religious sin. Hell, Pence's speech at the recent rally was dripping with religious overtones with numerous references to God.

Sure there are non religious people who don't approve of abortion as well as religious people who see abortion as a personal right. But if we are talking in generalities then I believe it is fair to link any talk about the GOP and Abortion to Religion and Abortion.


I find it more apparent with their stance on gays. Most of it is religious in nature when concerning that issue.
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If the government is supposed to pay for abortion they should also pay for IVF. At least that way of thinking makes sense.
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Let me explain. It is clear that the GOP is intrinsically linked to religion. Religion is one of the three legs of the GOP stool that holds up the interests of their donors. Whenever anyone speaks about abortion it is generally in the context of it being a religious sin. Hell, Pence's speech at the recent rally was dripping with religious overtones with numerous references to God.

Sure there are non religious people who don't approve of abortion as well as religious people who see abortion as a personal right. But if we are talking in generalities then I believe it is fair to link any talk about the GOP and Abortion to Religion and Abortion.


There have been ALOT of generalizations made this past couple of years. Because there is never any nuance there is hardly ever any real discussion between to the two sides. It's a winner takes all battle with no middle ground. It kind of reflects the nation as a whole on nearly every issue. Like I said before there will be no more cooperation.

The fact that this issue bleeds into so many other issues like race, class, religion, taxes and constitutional rights it's play for keeps.
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MysticGon wrote:


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Let me explain. It is clear that the GOP is intrinsically linked to religion. Religion is one of the three legs of the GOP stool that holds up the interests of their donors. Whenever anyone speaks about abortion it is generally in the context of it being a religious sin. Hell, Pence's speech at the recent rally was dripping with religious overtones with numerous references to God.

Sure there are non religious people who don't approve of abortion as well as religious people who see abortion as a personal right. But if we are talking in generalities then I believe it is fair to link any talk about the GOP and Abortion to Religion and Abortion.


There have been ALOT of generalizations made this past couple of years. Because there is never any nuance there is hardly ever any real discussion between to the two sides. It's a winner takes all battle with no middle ground. It kind of reflects the nation as a whole on nearly every issue. Like I said before there will be no more cooperation.

The fact that this issue bleeds into so many other issues like race, class, religion, taxes and constitutional rights it's play for keeps.


You can't be serious. I am not one for stereotypes, but this does have a lot of factual background. You're right to an extent, but you haven't disproven his point that such a generalization is unjustified with what I read as "All generalizations are wrong". Perhaps we shouldn't take this to mean every Repub literally, and we most shouldn't group it as an us versus them, but I do not see how Qarlos is doing that at all.

I mean, haven't you heard of the bible belt? It isn't heavily conservative and a mainstay of republican votes without a reason. The Repubs intentionally build their platforms based on beliefs that Christians often hold. Ted Cruz is a successful GOP politician, and he is highly religious. You also have people like Ben Carson, who made several religious comments during his presidential run as well as before.

This isn't to paint the GOP as bad or religiously bigoted, but Trump tried this appeal as well by claiming he is religious as well.

I mean, Ben Shapiro, a heavily right wing person, criticize Trump voters by asking "When have you ever voted for an adulterous strip club owner before?

The video is mediocre with what some of Shapiro is capable of for a Republican, but he wouldn't have address it if religion was not such an important thing to a lot of republicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5dBzxKNOw

1:30 is the quote I paraphrase.
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If the government is supposed to pay for abortion they should also pay for IVF. At least that way of thinking makes sense.


The government hasn't spent any money on abortions since 1976 when a law was passed preventing any federal funds from being used for abortions. Defunding Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with preventing abortions, it is about taking away access to basic medical services from poor people.
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MysticGon wrote:


Quarlo wrote:



Let me explain. It is clear that the GOP is intrinsically linked to religion. Religion is one of the three legs of the GOP stool that holds up the interests of their donors. Whenever anyone speaks about abortion it is generally in the context of it being a religious sin. Hell, Pence's speech at the recent rally was dripping with religious overtones with numerous references to God.

Sure there are non religious people who don't approve of abortion as well as religious people who see abortion as a personal right. But if we are talking in generalities then I believe it is fair to link any talk about the GOP and Abortion to Religion and Abortion.


There have been ALOT of generalizations made this past couple of years. Because there is never any nuance there is hardly ever any real discussion between to the two sides. It's a winner takes all battle with no middle ground. It kind of reflects the nation as a whole on nearly every issue. Like I said before there will be no more cooperation.

The fact that this issue bleeds into so many other issues like race, class, religion, taxes and constitutional rights it's play for keeps.


That's a very apt way of putting the current state of America's government. I like to call it "Scorched Earth Politics". It doesn't matter if nothing gets done as long as you didn't budge an inch. How sad is it that an elected government official can go to their constituents and be proud to say - "I did absolutely nothing for you. I have not made your lives better. I have not guaranteed a better future for you or your children. Good news though, the opposition party got nothing too."? It is never good when one side has too much control of a Democracy. Everyone should come to the table with what they want but be willing to compromise.

Back on Topic.

Okay, if religion is too inflammatory when discussing abortion. Then I will put it this way. The GOP has always trumpeted that they are the party of small government that isn't supposed to meddle in your lives or your business. Yet somehow it conveniently forgets this when it comes to the subject of the constitutional right of women to do what they want with their bodies.

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Shadowmist123 wrote:

If the government is supposed to pay for abortion they should also pay for IVF. At least that way of thinking makes sense.


The government hasn't spent any money on abortions since 1976 when a law was passed preventing any federal funds from being used for abortions. Defunding Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with preventing abortions, it is about taking away access to basic medical services from poor people.


I had literally done no research, was just pissed I had no assistance for IVF. I was about to thank you when I decided to do a quick google search.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/10/02/are-american-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion/#1566432b7709

Didn't look into that much either, but it says 24% of abortions are government subsidized. I just feel like it should be equal. Either everyone needs to pay for what they want - or everyone should get assistance with what they want.
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Quarlo wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


Quarlo wrote:



Let me explain. It is clear that the GOP is intrinsically linked to religion. Religion is one of the three legs of the GOP stool that holds up the interests of their donors. Whenever anyone speaks about abortion it is generally in the context of it being a religious sin. Hell, Pence's speech at the recent rally was dripping with religious overtones with numerous references to God.

Sure there are non religious people who don't approve of abortion as well as religious people who see abortion as a personal right. But if we are talking in generalities then I believe it is fair to link any talk about the GOP and Abortion to Religion and Abortion.


There have been ALOT of generalizations made this past couple of years. Because there is never any nuance there is hardly ever any real discussion between to the two sides. It's a winner takes all battle with no middle ground. It kind of reflects the nation as a whole on nearly every issue. Like I said before there will be no more cooperation.

The fact that this issue bleeds into so many other issues like race, class, religion, taxes and constitutional rights it's play for keeps.


That's a very apt way of putting the current state of America's government. I like to call it "Scorched Earth Politics". It doesn't matter if nothing gets done as long as you didn't budge an inch. How sad is it that an elected government official can go to their constituents and be proud to say - "I did absolutely nothing for you. I have not made your lives better. I have not guaranteed a better future for you or your children. Good news though, the opposition party got nothing too."? It is never good when one side has too much control of a Democracy. Everyone should come to the table with what they want but be willing to compromise.

Back on Topic.

Okay, if religion is too inflammatory when discussing abortion. Then I will put it this way. The GOP has always trumpeted that they are the party of small government that isn't supposed to meddle in your lives or your business. Yet somehow it conveniently forgets this when it comes to the subject of the constitutional right of women to do what they want with their bodies.



Yeah it is a sad state of affairs but at least it's not a mystery to anybody.

Abortion is one of those issues were there is no compromise. Either you give birth to baby or you kill it in the womb. There is no "well if we only kill it a little" middle ground.
Posted 1/30/17
I'm sure we will see a rise in coat hanger abortions and other methods whatever people should practice safe sex or no sex.
being responsible is the key.
By the way the pill mess with hormones look it up!
my rule if a man won't wear a condom than no sex at least this my stance.
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