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Americans won't take "lower pay jobs" bullshit this line of over 100 people tell a different story. You mean they won't take below minimum wage because you are illegally paying illegals under min wage and want your gravy train to continue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34U07CxVm0

I know someone who is a pizza delivery driver and he wanted to make some extra money so he asked his manager if he could work in the kitchen. The manager told him that he couldn't officially hire him in the kitchen but if he would take $5 an hour he could work under the table. The illegals are taking jobs away from the poor and uneducated that cannot get any other jobs. What used to be a decent job till you obtain some skills and training are being done by underpaying illegals.


The jobs labeled "Jobs Americans don't want" are actually jobs corporations don't want Americans to have. Why?

We'll that's because illegals have no bargaining power. They have no political representation. This makes them vulnerable to their employers. That means employers can pay them non-competitive wages. Work them full time. Withhold benefits. Put their children to work in conditions that wouldn't pass an OSHA inspection. In agriculture, some migrants are also expected to live communally in company provided living quarters that get locked up at night so as the workers don't roam the local town and disturb the citizenry and that also fail to meet municipal & state heath codes. They lack basic sanitation.

An American could no more get such a job as he/she would want to work in such conditions. Because if Americans were allowed to work those jobs, they'd begin to demand, rightly, better conditions and pay.

Effectively, the conditions that migrants are found to work in would be the equivalent of a doctor expected to go into surgery without even the most basic of protections from infectious diseases. No safety containers for used needles. No face masks. No gloves. And if our medical industries operated that way, guess what, no American would want that job either.
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That lie they tell you, "Jobs that Americans won't do." I saw the proof of that, when I used to drive trucks across country (for a short time - before the banking crisis of 2009). In Los Angeles, it's all undocumented workers hanging out at the Home Depot, waiting for someone to pick them up for some labor at a construction project. At the car wash, in the kitchens of restaurants. So, when I drove through Utah for the first time, and saw White and Black people at the Home Depot, the car wash, in the kitchens, I realized it was a lie. I saw Black and White gardeners blowing leaves and raking grass clippings.

It is a LIE. Americans want to work. Unskilled, young Americans will take those jobs. And as you can see from that news clip, so will educated Americans who are at the end of their rope.
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That lie they tell you, "Jobs that Americans won't do." I saw the proof of that, when I used to drive trucks across country (for a short time - before the banking crisis of 2009). In Los Angeles, it's all undocumented workers hanging out at the Home Depot, waiting for someone to pick them up for some labor at a construction project. At the car wash, in the kitchens of restaurants. So, when I drove through Utah for the first time, and saw White and Black people at the Home Depot, the car wash, in the kitchens, I realized it was a lie. I saw Black and White gardeners blowing leaves and raking grass clippings.

It is a LIE. Americans want to work. Unskilled, young Americans will take those jobs. And as you can see from that news clip, so will educated Americans who are at the end of their rope.


Where I live I see a blend of everyone doing yard work. There are tons of yard work businesses here and they pay better than the office jobs. They are good jobs but you have to work in shitty conditions. Those businesses are the people that I get business from.

Man california sounds terrible. I never see people hanging out at home depot.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

That lie they tell you, "Jobs that Americans won't do." I saw the proof of that, when I used to drive trucks across country (for a short time - before the banking crisis of 2009). In Los Angeles, it's all undocumented workers hanging out at the Home Depot, waiting for someone to pick them up for some labor at a construction project. At the car wash, in the kitchens of restaurants. So, when I drove through Utah for the first time, and saw White and Black people at the Home Depot, the car wash, in the kitchens, I realized it was a lie. I saw Black and White gardeners blowing leaves and raking grass clippings.

It is a LIE. Americans want to work. Unskilled, young Americans will take those jobs. And as you can see from that news clip, so will educated Americans who are at the end of their rope.


Where I live I see a blend of everyone doing yard work. There are tons of yard work businesses here and they pay better than the office jobs. They are good jobs but you have to work in shitty conditions. Those businesses are the people that I get business from.

Man california sounds terrible. I never see people hanging out at home depot.


Those people are skilled workers. They're electricians, carpenters, painters, plumbers, etc. All getting paid well below the normal rate that an American or legal resident would get. They get hired for everything from home improvement jobs, to construction jobs.

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it's cheaper to hire illegal immigrants

which is why there are those who would like to hire them instead of the citizens

they work hard and don't demand benefits from you since they are here illegally (they got little to no rights)

so before you think that most of the people who are supporting illegals because of kindness crap.. just make sure they do not have their own agendas first
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Had to go all the way back to 2011 to find a story. Nice.
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Had to go all the way back to 2011 to find a story. Nice.


You freakin' crook! Even if it's from 2011, (which I did not catch), it is still relevant today!!!
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While I do agree it is relevant today, the reality is most law enforcement largely avoids dealing with illegal workers. After all business owners are the ones hiring them and business owners have sway in local politics.

I'm all for forcing all business owners to hire only legal American work, also known as following the law. But we need to remember that supply and demand is a very real force and if you "can't find workers" to do a job that means the supply is too low for the desired price point. That is, you need to pay more money.

Would you rather work somewhere that pays you $5 an hour to do dishes or $10? The choice is obvious. The former can complain about not having enough workers all they want. The latter will have no issue with finding workers. We consumers need to pay market price for everything we buy; business should have to pay market price for their labor needs.
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shugotenshi-atm wrote:

While I do agree it is relevant today, the reality is most law enforcement largely avoids dealing with illegal workers. After all business owners are the ones hiring them and business owners have sway in local politics.

I'm all for forcing all business owners to hire only legal American work, also known as following the law. But we need to remember that supply and demand is a very real force and if you "can't find workers" to do a job that means the supply is too low for the desired price point. That is, you need to pay more money.

Would you rather work somewhere that pays you $5 an hour to do dishes or $10? The choice is obvious. The former can complain about not having enough workers all they want. The latter will have no issue with finding workers. We consumers need to pay market price for everything we buy; business should have to pay market price for their labor needs.


Let me think... I think that currently, minimum wage is 7.50 not 5.00... So, these businesses are choosing to pay less than minimum wage. What American or legal resident would work for less than the legal minimum wage that they are entitled to? But how many illegal aliens would be glad to get any wage for any job - especially when one considers that any wage in the U.S. is premium when compared to their home countries' currencies...?


EDIT: added "less than"
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shugotenshi-atm wrote:

While I do agree it is relevant today, the reality is most law enforcement largely avoids dealing with illegal workers. After all business owners are the ones hiring them and business owners have sway in local politics.

I'm all for forcing all business owners to hire only legal American work, also known as following the law. But we need to remember that supply and demand is a very real force and if you "can't find workers" to do a job that means the supply is too low for the desired price point. That is, you need to pay more money.

Would you rather work somewhere that pays you $5 an hour to do dishes or $10? The choice is obvious. The former can complain about not having enough workers all they want. The latter will have no issue with finding workers. We consumers need to pay market price for everything we buy; business should have to pay market price for their labor needs.


Let me think... I think that currently, minimum wage is 7.50 not 5.00... So, these businesses are choosing to pay less than minimum wage. What American or legal resident would work for the legal minimum wage that they are entitled to? But how many illegal aliens would be glad to get any wage for any job - especially when one considers that any wage in the U.S. is premium when compared to their home countries' currencies...?


In Arizona, as of January 1, the minimum wage is $10. As of Jan 30, dollars to pesos means that 10 dollars becomes over 200 pesos. Over 4000 pesos a week, even if they only work 20 hours.

Who wants to pay over $4000 a week for a dishwasher?
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It isn't so much that these kinds of jobs are the ones that "Americans won't do™" - it's more so that most Americans need to live off of more than $8 per hour. Immigrants will work below minimum wage because they live under spartan-like money restrictions. Though, I have met quite a few people who outright refuse to work the following positions:

- Fast Food
- Retail / Groceries
- Construction
- Road work

I have six former colleagues (we laid off 60% of our workforce in November) that are currently getting unemployment because they refuse to work any of these positions and won't even bother applying. The idea is that only teenagers, unintelligent, or "failures" work in these positions - especially in the younger generation (before you get on me, I've worked in all four at various points in my life already - I don't share these thoughts, just repeating what I hear frequently).

I will say there are quite a few people in the United States who will not work these jobs for the most mundane reasons I've heard in my life (especially on the Internet). The only sensible "excuse" I have heard to date is that most of these positions simply don't pay enough to keep one person afloat - let alone a family (and this is why there are so many people that have fought for a higher minimum wage). You have to work two different positions to make ends meet as a single person unless you're living with relatives or something of the sort.

Minimum wage is $13,920 a year before taxes - in the state of Arizona that would be about $975.87 take-home per month ($11,710 per year). Average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Phoenix, AZ is around $899. That's about $922 left for the entire year to pay your bills, pay for gas, and the likes. At the same time, we have a government that's trying to kill off as many social programs as possible - so that these people who are only making this little won't have access to food stamps, to subsidized rent and the likes. That's not going to work out too well...is it?

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There are people in the United States that simply refuse to do these kinds of jobs, that's just the sad reality. Even those that are willing realize that getting said job isn't going to really pay their bills or put them into a happier place in terms of their finances or raise their quality of life. Likely why there are so many exploiting social programs as you get more money that way. Plus, not everyone is in their 50s-60s who have had harder times in their lives (like the woman shown in the video, despite being in 2011) and will work these kinds of jobs.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

That lie they tell you, "Jobs that Americans won't do." I saw the proof of that, when I used to drive trucks across country (for a short time - before the banking crisis of 2009). In Los Angeles, it's all undocumented workers hanging out at the Home Depot, waiting for someone to pick them up for some labor at a construction project. At the car wash, in the kitchens of restaurants. So, when I drove through Utah for the first time, and saw White and Black people at the Home Depot, the car wash, in the kitchens, I realized it was a lie. I saw Black and White gardeners blowing leaves and raking grass clippings.

It is a LIE. Americans want to work. Unskilled, young Americans will take those jobs. And as you can see from that news clip, so will educated Americans who are at the end of their rope.


>> yup Home Depot is now illegal hire site they hang in the parking lots, run after customers asking for work?
I basically worked right out of high school my pay was around 6 a hour. I kept searching for better jobs never stopped
what i'm saying is it Bs. that only americans won't work those jobs! Bs.. I know many landscapers and construction
workers competing against the illegal work force come with me for a drive in Beverly hills then we can also drive thru the
streets of ugly Van Nuys the difference is so broad.

>> did you also know that many employers pay cash directly to the illegal hire? on varied jobs hmm maybe to avoid paying a tax!
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It isn't so much that these kinds of jobs are the ones that "Americans won't do™" - it's more so that most Americans need to live off of more than $8 per hour. Immigrants will work below minimum wage because they live under spartan-like money restrictions. Though, I have met quite a few people who outright refuse to work the following positions:

- Fast Food
- Retail / Groceries
- Construction
- Road work

I have six former colleagues (we laid off 60% of our workforce in November) that are currently getting unemployment because they refuse to work any of these positions and won't even bother applying. The idea is that only teenagers, unintelligent, or "failures" work in these positions - especially in the younger generation (before you get on me, I've worked in all four at various points in my life already - I don't share these thoughts, just repeating what I hear frequently).

I will say there are quite a few people in the United States who will not work these jobs for the most mundane reasons I've heard in my life (especially on the Internet). The only sensible "excuse" I have heard to date is that most of these positions simply don't pay enough to keep one person afloat - let alone a family (and this is why there are so many people that have fought for a higher minimum wage). You have to work two different positions to make ends meet as a single person unless you're living with relatives or something of the sort.

Minimum wage is $13,920 a year before taxes - in the state of Arizona that would be about $975.87 take-home per month ($11,710 per year). Average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Phoenix, AZ is around $899. That's about $922 left for the entire year to pay your bills, pay for gas, and the likes. At the same time, we have a government that's trying to kill off as many social programs as possible - so that these people who are only making this little won't have access to food stamps, to subsidized rent and the likes. That's not going to work out too well...is it?

TL;DR:
There are people in the United States that simply refuse to do these kinds of jobs, that's just the sad reality. Even those that are willing realize that getting said job isn't going to really pay their bills or put them into a happier place in terms of their finances or raise their quality of life. Likely why there are so many exploiting social programs as you get more money that way. Plus, not everyone is in their 50s-60s who have had harder times in their lives (like the woman shown in the video, despite being in 2011) and will work these kinds of jobs.


$8 is better than $0. Its not that people want to work there its that they HAVE to work there.
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How do you know that they're illegal or legal citizens based on their skin color?
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$8 is better than $0. Its not that people want to work there its that they HAVE to work there.


Tell that to people when unemployment gives them more than the minimum wage. Just in my "home state" of Maryland - let's break it down:

Minimum Wage in MD: $8.75 per hour
Average 40 hour work week: $350
Take Home (Monthly): $1141.56 (after taxes, give or take)

Welfare Recipient Amount (between benefits and all): $18.35 per hour
Average 40 hours a week of sitting on sofa: $734.00
Take Home (Monthly): $2,936 (no taxes are taken from this amount)

This isn't just in one state - it's in most states where being on welfare or disability averages out to making more than working 40 hours a week and not getting enough money to sustain your family. Take into consideration that the calculation of "per hour" is mostly in terms of benefits (food stamps, housing subsidies (section 8), spending money (unemployment or disability).. and such). That's not even including those who get unemployment through the company that fired them (this is how Maryland works) - my former colleagues are getting $3,000+ a month from that included with certain welfare benefits. Until there's a balance between how much is required to have a sustainable amount of living - there will be people who exploit the system and would rather not work than to work for minimum wage. That's just the reality of the matter.

Kicking people off of welfare will only cause more complications as they'll become more of a burden on society in other ways. They don't "have" to work there. In my own experiences, when I've lived somewhere that my education doesn't yield enough of a job market (I have a masters degree in mathematics, bachelor's in computer science) .. I move to another state that has a higher concentration of jobs in that field. It means that I suffer for a few months while trying to balance myself.

So in the video - the woman may have had a masters degree but she wasn't willing to sacrifice to get a decent job using said degree - that's her problem that she's "having" to work at a $8 per hour location.
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