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In australia there is a strict policy that has been put into place.

Any refugees that make it here illegaly will NOT be allowed entry no matter what. We dont have any shared borders to worry about usually just boats from indonesia!
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While I do agree it is relevant today, the reality is most law enforcement largely avoids dealing with illegal workers. After all business owners are the ones hiring them and business owners have sway in local politics.

I'm all for forcing all business owners to hire only legal American work, also known as following the law. But we need to remember that supply and demand is a very real force and if you "can't find workers" to do a job that means the supply is too low for the desired price point. That is, you need to pay more money.

Would you rather work somewhere that pays you $5 an hour to do dishes or $10? The choice is obvious. The former can complain about not having enough workers all they want. The latter will have no issue with finding workers. We consumers need to pay market price for everything we buy; business should have to pay market price for their labor needs.


Let me think... I think that currently, minimum wage is 7.50 not 5.00... So, these businesses are choosing to pay less than minimum wage. What American or legal resident would work for the legal minimum wage that they are entitled to? But how many illegal aliens would be glad to get any wage for any job - especially when one considers that any wage in the U.S. is premium when compared to their home countries' currencies...?


In Arizona, as of January 1, the minimum wage is $10. As of Jan 30, dollars to pesos means that 10 dollars becomes over 200 pesos. Over 4000 pesos a week, even if they only work 20 hours.

Who wants to pay over $4000 a week for a dishwasher?


What the fuck? You do know that the value of $1 to 1 peso isn't 1:1 right? Not even close to it.

Prior to the widespread acceptance of ignorance that came with Trump's popularity, I would have concluded this was sarcasm but now...
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gornotck wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:


shugotenshi-atm wrote:

While I do agree it is relevant today, the reality is most law enforcement largely avoids dealing with illegal workers. After all business owners are the ones hiring them and business owners have sway in local politics.

I'm all for forcing all business owners to hire only legal American work, also known as following the law. But we need to remember that supply and demand is a very real force and if you "can't find workers" to do a job that means the supply is too low for the desired price point. That is, you need to pay more money.

Would you rather work somewhere that pays you $5 an hour to do dishes or $10? The choice is obvious. The former can complain about not having enough workers all they want. The latter will have no issue with finding workers. We consumers need to pay market price for everything we buy; business should have to pay market price for their labor needs.


Let me think... I think that currently, minimum wage is 7.50 not 5.00... So, these businesses are choosing to pay less than minimum wage. What American or legal resident would work for the legal minimum wage that they are entitled to? But how many illegal aliens would be glad to get any wage for any job - especially when one considers that any wage in the U.S. is premium when compared to their home countries' currencies...?


In Arizona, as of January 1, the minimum wage is $10. As of Jan 30, dollars to pesos means that 10 dollars becomes over 200 pesos. Over 4000 pesos a week, even if they only work 20 hours.

Who wants to pay over $4000 a week for a dishwasher?


What the fuck? You do know that the value of $1 to 1 peso isn't 1:1 right? Not even close to it.

Prior to the widespread acceptance of ignorance that came with Trump's popularity, I would have concluded this was sarcasm but now...


You misunderstand. He's not saying that a dollar is equal to a peso. He's trying to show that paying $4,000.00 a week for a dish washer is ridiculous. However, an illegal alien working for less than minimum wage in the United States, when he or she converts their paltry U.S. wages, from dollars to pesos, will be earning money, in Mexico (for example), as if they were earning $4,000.00 per week in the United States.

I see it a lot. Central Americans, illegally working in the United States as janitors. Making minimum wage or less. They send money to their bank accounts in their home countries. When they retire in 20 years, they go back to their home countries, to their ranches and horses. They live the lives of millionaires in their country.

While we, for the same wages, get to retire to a pitiful social security check.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:


gornotck wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:


shugotenshi-atm wrote:

While I do agree it is relevant today, the reality is most law enforcement largely avoids dealing with illegal workers. After all business owners are the ones hiring them and business owners have sway in local politics.

I'm all for forcing all business owners to hire only legal American work, also known as following the law. But we need to remember that supply and demand is a very real force and if you "can't find workers" to do a job that means the supply is too low for the desired price point. That is, you need to pay more money.

Would you rather work somewhere that pays you $5 an hour to do dishes or $10? The choice is obvious. The former can complain about not having enough workers all they want. The latter will have no issue with finding workers. We consumers need to pay market price for everything we buy; business should have to pay market price for their labor needs.


Let me think... I think that currently, minimum wage is 7.50 not 5.00... So, these businesses are choosing to pay less than minimum wage. What American or legal resident would work for the legal minimum wage that they are entitled to? But how many illegal aliens would be glad to get any wage for any job - especially when one considers that any wage in the U.S. is premium when compared to their home countries' currencies...?


In Arizona, as of January 1, the minimum wage is $10. As of Jan 30, dollars to pesos means that 10 dollars becomes over 200 pesos. Over 4000 pesos a week, even if they only work 20 hours.

Who wants to pay over $4000 a week for a dishwasher?


What the fuck? You do know that the value of $1 to 1 peso isn't 1:1 right? Not even close to it.

Prior to the widespread acceptance of ignorance that came with Trump's popularity, I would have concluded this was sarcasm but now...


You misunderstand. He's not saying that a dollar is equal to a peso. He's trying to show that paying $4,000.00 a week for a dish washer is ridiculous. However, an illegal alien working for less than minimum wage in the United States, when he or she converts their paltry U.S. wages, from dollars to pesos, will be earning money, in Mexico (for example), as if they were earning $4,000.00 per week in the United States.

I see it a lot. Central Americans, illegally working in the United States as janitors. Making minimum wage or less. They send money to their bank accounts in their home countries. When they retire in 20 years, they go back to their home countries, to their ranches and horses. They live the lives of millionaires in their country.

While we, for the same wages, get to retire to a pitiful social security check.


When you say "I see it a lot", what do you mean by that exactly? Because I, too, also see *it* a lot but it seems like we live in different worlds from each other.

You really think that illegal immigrants that work for close to nothing in the US are somewhat "living it up" later when they retire from their unstable jobs? You must not know any then. Whatever they send back to their country is barely enough to keep a minimal level of comfort in living for their family. Despite the cost of living being generally cheaper in these places outside the US, earning minimum wage here (or way below that) will not be nearly sufficient to maintain the kind of fantasy life you think they have (or will have).
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Yeah. I talk to them where I've worked, in different locations, and they tell me of how they just bought some land, and are building a ranch on it, etc. Not just one or two people, but lots. Not just janitors, but painters, plumbers, carpenters, mechanics. All of them, working for less than an American would earn for the same job.

Yeah. It's not just Central Americans. I've talked to some Filipinos, too. Only, they are here legally. Lots of Filipinos retire in the United States, but just as many retire to the Philippines and their American wages make them Filipino millionaires.

I'm sure there are plenty of foreign workers who do the same, if their money is worth less than the dollar.
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Yeah. I talk to them where I've worked, in different locations, and they tell me of how they just bought some land, and are building a ranch on it, etc. Not just one or two people, but lots. Not just janitors, but painters, plumbers, carpenters, mechanics. All of them, working for less than an American would earn for the same job.

Yeah. It's not just Central Americans. I've talked to some Filipinos, too. Only, they are here legally. Lots of Filipinos retire in the United States, but just as many retire to the Philippines and their American wages make them Filipino millionaires.

I'm sure there are plenty of foreign workers who do the same, if their money is worth less than the dollar.


My family does have investments in the Philippines but that's because we're all here legally (and most of us are naturalized citizens) which means we could afford to go for jobs that actually pay. I'd have to take your anecdote for what it is and I can understand your standpoint if that is your experience with illegal immigrants in the US. The kind of reality I see, however, are people who work long hours every day they could but make only a fraction of what I get for 8 (even after paying nearly 40% in taxes). Even though places abroad are generally cheaper than my current State's cost of living, the price of certain goods still remain relatively unchanged and if someone is able to scrape that much money out of almost nothing, I can certainly say they deserve it. But I share people's concern regarding paying taxes so I'd opt to give people a real path to being a legal resident. People who believe that deportation is the start of that path have little to no idea about what it takes to even get on that road.
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