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Posted 1/31/17 , edited 1/31/17

mxdan wrote:


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Total deaths of Americans due to Terrorism post 9/11: 101 people
Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion people



Just for the sake of clarity, would that first number represent terrorism in general or islamic terrorism?


Terrorism in general. The figure for islamic terrorism is even lower.

http://www.ibtimes.com/united-states-after-911-how-many-major-terrorist-attacks-have-there-been-america-2001-2414070


>> right I just did not understand how Name Already-Taken came up with 0??
I found a lot to list. Boston bombings, La. airport attacks Ny police attack list goes on...
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MysteryMiss wrote:Boston bombings

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston-bombing-tsarnaev-sentence/
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Russian.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26975845

thanks for proving my point that not all terrorist activity is caused by Arabs. this one was caused by a self-radicalized Russian.
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Japan has been a isolationist country for centuries


Perhaps the USA should try that.
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Posted 1/31/17

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i think the better solution and possibly the best solution wouldn't be take in large numbers of people but to use the resources that would be involved in that to try and help solve whatever situation and such they were fleeing from in the first place.


Nice sentiment but fundamentally flawed.

The Syrian rebels, with Saudi Arabian support, are trying to topple Assad.
Assad, with Iranian support, is trying to fight off the rebels and remain in power.
Al Qaeda-linked rebel groups are trying to secure a new base of operations.
Islamic State (IS, ISIS, Daesh) is trying to carve out a caliphate from Syria and Iraq.
The Iraqis (Sunni, Shia and Kurds) are trying to force IS out of Iraq.
The Kurds are trying to gain territory to support the case for their own homeland.
NATO & allies are primarily fighting IS but offering proxy support to some rebel groups
Turkey is paranoid about the Kurds' activity (given their long history of conflict) and attacks them when they make a significant gain (giving IS a respite).
Russia is intent on propping up Assad as one of their key allies in the region and is using the fight against IS as an excuse to attack other groups.


Meanwhile the civillians and aid agencies are caught in the cross-fire.

Where should the resources be invested to best effect?


I'm not a expert on where the resources should go other for example trying to stop the wars somehow though that's easier said then done i know then once that's done ensure whoever takes power once the dust settles isn't another tyrant as well as assist in improving quality of life by for example medical aid and education. and also countries should also be at the end of the day more concerned about their own welfare then that of others and if taking in a large amount of refugees will likely cause harm which in this situation Europe has shown it has then unfortunately most of them will have to be left on their own. sure it is cold of me to think/say that but i wouldn't want the violence and such Europe has been experiencing to make its way over to where i live. and if it wasn't for that i would be more in favor of taking more but the situation being what it is i don't think should let them just come over especially in mass.
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Question for those supporting a ban on Middle Eastern refugees because terrorists *might* slip in: Were you calling for a ban on Cuban refugees as well? If not, why?
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MysteryMiss wrote:

>> right I just did not understand how Name Already-Taken came up with 0??
I found a lot to list. Boston bombings, La. airport attacks Ny police attack list goes on...


Not sure what New York Police attacks refers to but here's one thing that fits that category.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/5/brooklyn-man-charged-with-hate-crime-for-allegedly-threatening-muslim-off-duty-nypd-officer-and-her-son.html
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Question for those supporting a ban on Middle Eastern refugees because terrorists *might* slip in: Were you calling for a ban on Cuban refugees as well? If not, why?


It is not because of terrorists (in my case) but because those people who were born there have a very different mentality than ours. They don't respect children, women, christianity. I don't want that type of people coming here, I don't care if they're refugees or not. They come already with a backward mentality that will only harm our country. For example, I was reading the news about this refugee guy who raped a 10 year old boy in Germany, he said that was normal in his country so he didn't think it was bad. Another one raped another boy in a pool and he said he had a long time without sex and he thought the boy wanted it.

It is normal for these people to rape children and this is in all those middle east countries. There is even a group of pedophile men from everywhere in the middle east (called Bacha Bazi) where little boys are dressed like women, they dance for these men and are raped by them. Nobody does anything because this is normal over there. They are against homosexuals but forget all about it when it comes to little kids. And I will not even mention the type of things women and little girls go through.

Cubans are not like this, are they?


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Cubans are not like this, are they?




Personally, I don't see much of a difference between what you described and shooting/blowing up women and children because they think doing so would help topple their dictators.
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Posted 1/31/17 , edited 1/31/17

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


thatgirl202 wrote:

Cubans are not like this, are they?




Personally, I don't see much of a difference between what you described and shooting/blowing up women and children because they think doing so would help topple their dictators.


and what you missed from my whole post is the keyword: normal.

I'm not talking about political problems but about the mentality of what it is normal. Cubans may kill women and children in their own country for political reasons but they won't do it here because those reasons don't apply here while many of these people from the middle east grow up with a different mentality and they will act the same here as in their country because it is "normal".

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Posted 2/1/17 , edited 2/1/17

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Trump raised the Obama situation in a January 29, statement defending his immigration executive order. He wrote, “My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the executive order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.”

>> hmm looks like Obama did same thing but no complaints from left? interesting

and same countries why the tears flow
This is my point, No matter what Trump dose he going to be called a monster, and a racist, and every other name in the book. Yet he really has done nothing out right bad yet. Unless you think that TPP was a good Idea. In that case you need to get your head examined.

On topic this fellow also agrees with me it seems.. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZBGidQcEs And this Girl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhSQLmfbQ6Y
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Here. This is why we need to bolster our border enforcement, and why we can't let these refugees in so irresponsibly, without really aggressively vetting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko
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I don't know about you, but when you open the floodgates on immigration from a third world country, they will swarm the first world country because it is not as shit. Never mind that many of these people won't be able to find a job, have even a high school education, or are even willing to follow basic standards of decency found in most first world countries.

There is more then enough proof in Europe that what they did was a very bad idea. We need to keep these people out, we already got enough problems, we don't need to be bleeding hearts and create more by inviting in these savages unrestricted at all.

I would have no problems letting in immigrants with actual high school or beyond education or decent employment skills, people that can actually provide. But millions of people with limited skills and archaic third world mindsets? No.
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Trump is on the right track i'm going sit back and see how it plays out.
and -Dark yes I have recently watched some Milo's videos I believe conservative voice needs to be heard not just one side.
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honestly I think at thispoint there should be a faculty building/buildings that all migrants be held in -sorry they aren't refugees anymore one they land in 1, 2, 3-5 countries in their travels- until they are properly and fully vetted, wont be allowed to step foot in America until they are, aren't allowed to leave until they are
sure sounds harsh buts its better than having hundreds, thousands come in, aren't vetted fully -some denied then flee coughimlooking at yourrecent Stockholm attacker- just like a lot of Mexicans/other southern americans they can go under the radar
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Posted 4/9/17 , edited 4/9/17

redokami wrote:

honestly I think at thispoint there should be a faculty building/buildings that all migrants be held in -sorry they aren't refugees anymore one they land in 1, 2, 3-5 countries in their travels- until they are properly and fully vetted, wont be allowed to step foot in America until they are, aren't allowed to leave until they are
sure sounds harsh buts its better than having hundreds, thousands come in, aren't vetted fully -some denied then flee coughimlooking at yourrecent Stockholm attacker- just like a lot of Mexicans/other southern americans they can go under the radar


You may want to clarify that. Are we talking vetting checkpoints, Government approved housing, maybe something like the projects, or internment camps?

In any case, vetting usually happens before they come here, and takes at least 2 years, and may go through several countries further than where they living (Usually refugee camps).

The USA has a pretty good track record in this sense.
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