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honestly I think at thispoint there should be a faculty building/buildings that all migrants be held in -sorry they aren't refugees anymore one they land in 1, 2, 3-5 countries in their travels- until they are properly and fully vetted, wont be allowed to step foot in America until they are, aren't allowed to leave until they are
sure sounds harsh buts its better than having hundreds, thousands come in, aren't vetted fully -some denied then flee coughimlooking at yourrecent Stockholm attacker- just like a lot of Mexicans/other southern americans they can go under the radar


You may want to clarify that. Are we talking vetting checkpoints, Government approved housing, maybe something like the projects, or internment camps?

In any case, vetting usually happens before they come here, and takes at least 2 years, and may go through several countries further than where they living (Usually refugee camps).

The USA has a pretty good track record in this sense.


lol, since there are so many there should be a village so to speak -big- but walled off , so yes they are housed, fed, but cant leave and enter the rest of the country until they are thoroughly vetted -they can use internet but will be monitored and if any suspicious activity is done then they are sent back to their country -
something like that
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redokami wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


redokami wrote:

honestly I think at thispoint there should be a faculty building/buildings that all migrants be held in -sorry they aren't refugees anymore one they land in 1, 2, 3-5 countries in their travels- until they are properly and fully vetted, wont be allowed to step foot in America until they are, aren't allowed to leave until they are
sure sounds harsh buts its better than having hundreds, thousands come in, aren't vetted fully -some denied then flee coughimlooking at yourrecent Stockholm attacker- just like a lot of Mexicans/other southern americans they can go under the radar


You may want to clarify that. Are we talking vetting checkpoints, Government approved housing, maybe something like the projects, or internment camps?

In any case, vetting usually happens before they come here, and takes at least 2 years, and may go through several countries further than where they living (Usually refugee camps).

The USA has a pretty good track record in this sense.


lol, since there are so many there should be a village so to speak -big- but walled off , so yes they are housed, fed, but cant leave and enter the rest of the country until they are thoroughly vetted -they can use internet but will be monitored and if any suspicious activity is done then they are sent back to their country -
something like that


That is an interment camp. Why even admit them in that scenario?

They are vetted prior to even being in this country, with an extremely lengthy process that takes years, interviews, multiple agencies from multiple nations, etc.

It is not a simple transport to America and then vetted. They are vetted where they are, with the occasional detours to other countries. If you ask me, that is more sensible.


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Sorry...I watched as a Yazidi women was stoned to death by moderate Moslems in Iraq (not terrorists just the regular people). I have seen how women are treated in the Middle East as I tried to sew an eye of women who had beaten for driving (in Iraq). I saw a young women get back handed in Kuwaiti airport for smiling at some soldiers as they stood in line. Don't even get me started how young girls are treated. I have seen the aftermath of so many honor killings. I'm not saying don't let them in but we need to be prepared for a culture that has very little tolerance. It will be years until I don't cringe when I see a burka (female suicide vest wearer). I don't think I could keep my cool if I ever heard a prayer tower again (signaled an IED attack that killed several of my friends). I have seen the worst that one person can do to another. I'm telling you this wasn't just the terrorists (AQ etc.) but this was the moderate Moslems - Arabs and Kurds. Again I'm not saying don't let them in but that culture does not mesh well with ours and we need to understand that. I will take time before this culture is assimilated into ours. I lived in the culture for 3 years of my life it has its good and bad but it's bad - is really bad...compared to our cultural norms.

Does anyone really understand Sharia Law? Well guess what it isn't standardized. I think I saw the most brutal interpretations in Afghanistan.

Please share your stories those that have been there....My experience is very limited - only a few Arab countries...but my experiences will leave an impression on the rest of my life. I would like to think I'm not prejudice but when I see someone from that culture I go into immediate defensive mode. It will take me years to reconcile. I have stopped speaking the language.

I see hope as I see Vietnam and WWII vets that have gotten over these feelings. I just met a few days ago a WWII pilot who's son married a Japanese women.,took him 30 years to reconcile.

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there's only one problem. America was a country founded by immigrants. the whole pillar of the country rests on the freedom of movement, regardless of one's religion or beliefs. Japan has been a isolationist country for centuries and only recently allowed foreigners in.


"Japan" was actually founded by Yayoi immigrants from the Yangtze River region in China. The "native Japanese" are not native; the Ainu are the "native Japanese". Genetically, there is not much difference between Yayoi Japanese and Han Chinese. By comparison, the mitochondrial DNA of the Ainu are virtually identical to natives of the Andes Mountains in South America.

On top of that, we don't want to be stuck in the past. Various governmental agencies have found that population growth in the USA: primarily fueled by immigration(about 80%), is just as great a threat to US ecosystems as global warming. To paraphrase the founder of Earth Day: "To say you're for mass immigration to the US AND for protecting its ecosystems is bullshit".
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Sorry...I watched as a Yazidi women was stoned to death by moderate Moslems in Iraq (not terrorists just the regular people). I have seen how women are treated in the Middle East as I tried to sew an eye of women who had beaten for driving (in Iraq). I saw a young women get back handed in Kuwaiti airport for smiling at some soldiers as they stood in line. Don't even get me started how young girls are treated. I have seen the aftermath of so many honor killings. I'm not saying don't let them in but we need to be prepared for a culture that has very little tolerance. It will be years until I don't cringe when I see a burka (female suicide vest wearer). I don't think I could keep my cool if I ever heard a prayer tower again (signaled an IED attack that killed several of my friends). I have seen the worst that one person can do to another. I'm telling you this wasn't just the terrorists (AQ etc.) but this was the moderate Moslems - Arabs and Kurds. Again I'm not saying don't let them in but that culture does not mesh well with ours and we need to understand that. I will take time before this culture is assimilated into ours. I lived in the culture for 3 years of my life it has its good and bad but it's bad - is really bad...compared to our cultural norms.

Does anyone really understand Sharia Law? Well guess what it isn't standardized. I think I saw the most brutal interpretations in Afghanistan.

Please share your stories those that have been there....My experience is very limited - only a few Arab countries...but my experiences will leave an impression on the rest of my life. I would like to think I'm not prejudice but when I see someone from that culture I go into immediate defensive mode. It will take me years to reconcile. I have stopped speaking the language.

I see hope as I see Vietnam and WWII vets that have gotten over these feelings. I just met a few days ago a WWII pilot who's son married a Japanese women.,took him 30 years to reconcile.



This is the rtuth. It's ignorance and bigotry that leads people to claim Islam is peaceful and to fight against people who are doing good by guarding their nations. Where does "moderate" Islam exist? In Dubai -- where women are thrown in jail for being raped? Where travelers are fined for saying bad things about Muhammed? The only place "moderate" Islam exists is where non-Muslims out-power them and are able to force them to act civilized. Muhammed was a horrible person.

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there's only one problem. America was a country founded by immigrants. the whole pillar of the country rests on the freedom of movement, regardless of one's religion or beliefs. Japan has been a isolationist country for centuries and only recently allowed foreigners in.


......except when it doesn't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

(The most ironic thing being that it was passed when funding for "Statue of Liberty" was approved, and lasted FAR after the whole project was completed.......... So this entire thing was going on while that "Statue of Liberty" was going up. To this day there is still no formal apology from US Congress. I guess this is how the country thanked the people who helped build the Transcontinental Railroad)
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nanikore2 wrote:To this day there is still no formal apology from US Congress.


except they did in 2012
CNN article
Rep Chu page
link to actual bill: H.Res.683 - Expressing the regret of the House of Representatives for the passage of laws that adversely affected the Chinese in the United States, including the Chinese Exclusion Act. (you'll notice that it still show as "passed house" - they tend to update the page very slowly, if at all)

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My opinion of so called "refugees"? Lets focus on getting our homeless, poor and veterans who live on the streets a better place in life and help them be able to support themselves again. These so called "refugees" are mostly men in their early to mid twenties, and they cause havoc and act like savages across Europe. The people we should help are the Syrian's fighting the terrorists, not the ones running away. Heck, there are even Syrian women fighting against terror groups, using old tanks, planes and machine guns.
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Posted 4/9/17 , edited 4/9/17

Shinosushi wrote:

Sorry...I watched as a Yazidi women was stoned to death by moderate Moslems in Iraq (not terrorists just the regular people). I have seen how women are treated in the Middle East as I tried to sew an eye of women who had beaten for driving (in Iraq). I saw a young women get back handed in Kuwaiti airport for smiling at some soldiers as they stood in line. Don't even get me started how young girls are treated. I have seen the aftermath of so many honor killings. I'm not saying don't let them in but we need to be prepared for a culture that has very little tolerance. It will be years until I don't cringe when I see a burka (female suicide vest wearer). I don't think I could keep my cool if I ever heard a prayer tower again (signaled an IED attack that killed several of my friends). I have seen the worst that one person can do to another. I'm telling you this wasn't just the terrorists (AQ etc.) but this was the moderate Moslems - Arabs and Kurds. Again I'm not saying don't let them in but that culture does not mesh well with ours and we need to understand that. I will take time before this culture is assimilated into ours. I lived in the culture for 3 years of my life it has its good and bad but it's bad - is really bad...compared to our cultural norms.

Does anyone really understand Sharia Law? Well guess what it isn't standardized. I think I saw the most brutal interpretations in Afghanistan.

Please share your stories those that have been there....My experience is very limited - only a few Arab countries...but my experiences will leave an impression on the rest of my life. I would like to think I'm not prejudice but when I see someone from that culture I go into immediate defensive mode. It will take me years to reconcile. I have stopped speaking the language.

I see hope as I see Vietnam and WWII vets that have gotten over these feelings. I just met a few days ago a WWII pilot who's son married a Japanese women.,took him 30 years to reconcile.



Are we defining moderate as to how the society acts? Moderate does appear subjective.

I do not think it is wrong to be against a culture in an inherent sense, if it can be reasoned to be morally right to oppose. This even applies to religion and ideas in general.


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Shinosushi wrote:

Sorry...I watched as a Yazidi women was stoned to death by moderate Moslems in Iraq (not terrorists just the regular people). I have seen how women are treated in the Middle East as I tried to sew an eye of women who had beaten for driving (in Iraq). I saw a young women get back handed in Kuwaiti airport for smiling at some soldiers as they stood in line. Don't even get me started how young girls are treated. I have seen the aftermath of so many honor killings. I'm not saying don't let them in but we need to be prepared for a culture that has very little tolerance. It will be years until I don't cringe when I see a burka (female suicide vest wearer). I don't think I could keep my cool if I ever heard a prayer tower again (signaled an IED attack that killed several of my friends). I have seen the worst that one person can do to another. I'm telling you this wasn't just the terrorists (AQ etc.) but this was the moderate Moslems - Arabs and Kurds. Again I'm not saying don't let them in but that culture does not mesh well with ours and we need to understand that. I will take time before this culture is assimilated into ours. I lived in the culture for 3 years of my life it has its good and bad but it's bad - is really bad...compared to our cultural norms.

Does anyone really understand Sharia Law? Well guess what it isn't standardized. I think I saw the most brutal interpretations in Afghanistan.

Please share your stories those that have been there....My experience is very limited - only a few Arab countries...but my experiences will leave an impression on the rest of my life. I would like to think I'm not prejudice but when I see someone from that culture I go into immediate defensive mode. It will take me years to reconcile. I have stopped speaking the language.

I see hope as I see Vietnam and WWII vets that have gotten over these feelings. I just met a few days ago a WWII pilot who's son married a Japanese women.,took him 30 years to reconcile.



This is the rtuth. It's ignorance and bigotry that leads people to claim Islam is peaceful and to fight against people who are doing good by guarding their nations. Where does "moderate" Islam exist? In Dubai -- where women are thrown in jail for being raped? Where travelers are fined for saying bad things about Muhammed? The only place "moderate" Islam exists is where non-Muslims out-power them and are able to force them to act civilized. Muhammed was a horrible person.



I am not sure it is entirely a concept of being forced to, but an exposure to ideas in the West, which may be more powerful. This is a religion where people have a concept of reward so strongly they do what they think is right, despite impending death for some cases. In this case, I do not think even force is a prevention for those who do crimes that willing inevitably end in their deaths.

It seems to veer on the notion that civilized Muslims are not violent because of the potential repercussions, instead of being influenced by a different culture to want to be civilized. I can see why you are upset though, no offense. I do disagree with the implication you have made, but I will try not to assume the worst.
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MonoDreams wrote:

My opinion of so called "refugees"? Lets focus on getting our homeless, poor and veterans who live on the streets a better place in life and help them be able to support themselves again. These so called "refugees" are mostly men in their early to mid twenties, and they cause havoc and act like savages across Europe. The people we should help are the Syrian's fighting the terrorists, not the ones running away. Heck, there are even Syrian women fighting against terror groups, using old tanks, planes and machine guns.


Although it may depend on the nation admitting them, the US tends to put women and children ahead, whilst men are mostly considered based on their relation, such as husband, with the aim at admitting the vulnerable.

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nanikore2 wrote:To this day there is still no formal apology from US Congress.


except they did in 2012
CNN article
Rep Chu page
link to actual bill: H.Res.683 - Expressing the regret of the House of Representatives for the passage of laws that adversely affected the Chinese in the United States, including the Chinese Exclusion Act. (you'll notice that it still show as "passed house" - they tend to update the page very slowly, if at all)



That's not a formal apology. The 2014 document itself said that a formal apology is still needed.
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Actually Japan is mostly motivated by preserving their racial purity and their disgust of gaijin in general is why they accept zero refugees from anywhere lmao.
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Give them guns, make them fight for their own country.
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Okay, uhm, hi, I'm a bit nervous as I know, that I might be flayed for what I have to say.

I am German, I live near a refugee camp, I'm volunteering there once a week and I'm helping in an asylum-help-office once a week. And please don't dismiss what I have to say by thinking: look at her, there they are the lefties, just because I'm volunteering there. I'm neither a left winged nor a right winged person, I'm helping because help is needed.

Enough about my person... told you this, so you know why I think I should speak up in your discussion.

I agree with all of you who are concerned and saying it is a different culture and you are right, often it is not easy, but this situation is so much more complex.
I can understand the need to discuss the situation in Japan and the USA, I understand that you are scared and that you have your own opinion, doubts and concerns, I understand that there is a lot of information at the moment and so you base your opinion on what you receive. I'm never going to judge your situation there as I'm living here, but please refrain from judging the situation here and using headline-information as ammunition against this situation, when you've never been here during this time and haven't experienced the different sides. (Oh gosh, I hope my text doesn't come off rude and mean as it isn't meant like that). I think it is easy to point fingers at the current situation, when you are far away and doesn't have a real insight in this topic.

I'm not denying that there are the radicals, there are those who put the rules of the sharia over the common law, there are the ones who don't understand our culture, but honestly there are tons of people who put the Bible, the Thora, their whatever book and their weird worldview over the law. Think of the hardcore Christians, the Mormons, the orthodox Jews, the Reichsbürger in our country and I could go on and on. They are all to a certain degree violent, discriminating others and/or oppressing woman, insisting on their rights to practise their religion/cultural/whatever rights as a free citizen and as many are born in our countries, they should understand the Western culture and that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is fundamental in our countries, but they simply don't get it and the thought is as foreign to them as it is to radical Muslims.

Saying 'yeah, you stupid Europeans you simply should've send them all back' is so easy and allow me the question: How? And foremost, back to where? To Syria or Libya, right back into the gunfire? Closing the borders and leave Turkey alone with the problem? Leaving them floating on boats in the Mediterranean Sea? What should we have done, while thousands and thousands literally stood at our borders (and with us I mean Serbia, Slovenia, Hungary, Austria, Germany, Italy a.s.o.)? Where should we have send them to, when landing on Greece and Italian islands? Back on ships to the Mediterranean leaving them on their own devices? Back to that hellhole of country they where running from for their lives?

Calling them cowards for trying to survive instead of trying to fight is wrong. Not long ago, we had a 19-year old young man with his grandma in our office. He desperately wanted to fight against ISIS, but decided to flee with his gran, as he wanted to have his gran save and no one else was left. They made this 1600 miles way mostly by foot. Cowardly behavior? I call him a live savior.
You've never seen the masses of refugees walking on highways towards the next border, often just carrying barely more than what is on their body.
I guess you have never looked into the eyes of those teens and children - they are so lost and there is so much horror in them. Grown men shaking like aspen leaves on New Years eve because of the bomb-like sounds of the fireworks. There are thousands and thousands of stories alike like this.

Yes, the situation is difficult for the refugees and for us. But it can not and will never be an option to act out of the fear to lose our comfortable life by simply sending human beings right back into a war, where schools and hospitals are bombed and massacers are commited at the high risk that they get caught up in gunfire and bomb droppings,. And there are so many who don't want to stay here, they are dreaming of their homecountry, makeing plans to open a business back there or simply going back to their hometowns to rebuild their parental home, till then they just want to live.
The media - it doesn't matter which and where at the moment - submit just the bad stories and unfortunately the good ones aren't told, maybe because they are not exciting enough. Why don't you tell the good stories of the women telling the police about the ISIS-symphaziser in their refugee camp or the 40 refugees helping last May in Braunsbach out of their own accord? There are many, many other stories like this.

Like I said, I'm not saying it is easy, there are times, when I want to shake some sense into some of them out of pure frustration, but painting the picture just in black and white is wrong.
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Don't worry. Clearly the Obama administration and Putin lied when they said they eliminated Syria's chemical weapons. Assad has enough nerve agent (human roach spray) to exterminate all of his opposition so odds are he intends to end the refugee problem with nerve agent.

Putin's answer is all obiwan kanobe on tantoween "this is not the nerve agent you are looking for" roflmao. Whatever. It will all be over in a few months once Assad has Raided all of his opposition. Ya know as in Raid the roach spray

And there is the rub. If you are in house with a leak. Do you bail out the water in the basement until the well goes dry or do you plug the leak at it's source? Assad and the Syrian cival war is the leaky pipe. The refugees are the water. Plug the damn leak! Why is this so hard for the world to understand?
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