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Transitioning process (for the 1 billionth time on these forums) for children: Hormonal blockers that harmlessly prevent irreversible changes of the child's body by stopping puberty until in their late teens where they may make the decision to transition on their own as fully autonomous beings. There's nothing pointing to this practice being in any way harmful to a child's health, but there's a fuckton of psychologists, and transgender children mind you, that agree that going through the wrong puberty is one of the highest points of suicide in transgender people. Honestly this topic has been beating a dead horse. I'm sure those kids who killed themselves because of the nightmare of going through the wrong puberty and their body changing exactly opposite to who they were really just joking about it. Stop being afraid of nothing.
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Probably only happened because they can't afford a lawsuit, never mind them already having to deal with a Feminist group threatening to have the funding for Boy Scouts cut, if the scouts doesn't integrate girls into the program.



Normally I agree with gender equality, but in this case I think that the feminists are being stupid. If they want the Boy Scouts to let girls into their program then they have to be willing to let boys into the Girl Scouts as well. I wonder if anyone's brought up that argument to them yet or not. And this is coming from someone who was a Girl Scout into late middle school. A lot of the basic stuff that they teach in both groups is actually the same, so I really don't see what the issue is.

Edit: I actually found direct proof that the reasoning in that video for letting girls into the Boy Scouts is wrong and invalid. She talked about the fact that Boy Scouts focuses more on leadership but that the Girl Scouts focus more on problem solving. While that may be true among the younger troops for Girl Scouts, the focus does shift as they get older. I found the following information on Wikipedia:

"The highest achievement in Girl Scouting is the Girl Scout Gold Award, which can only be earned by GS Seniors and Ambassadors. The highest award for GS Cadettes is the Silver Award, and Bronze Award is the highest award for Girl Scout Juniors. These awards require large-scale service projects showing leadership along with service hours. The service projects must improve a current situation, such as restoring the eroded banks of a stream. These are the equivalent to the Eagle Scout honor among the Boy Scouts although it does not gain the same sort of recognition."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA#Awards_and_badges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Award_(Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Award_(Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Award_(Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA)

A Girl Scout working on her Gold Award project.



Now, if that isn't equal treatment, then I don't know what is.
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boy scouts should be for boys only. hence the name.
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Transitioning process (for the 1 billionth time on these forums) for children: Hormonal blockers that harmlessly prevent irreversible changes of the child's body by stopping puberty until in their late teens where they may make the decision to transition on their own as fully autonomous beings. There's nothing pointing to this practice being in any way harmful to a child's health, but there's a fuckton of psychologists, and transgender children mind you, that agree that going through the wrong puberty is one of the highest points of suicide in transgender people. Honestly this topic has been beating a dead horse. I'm sure those kids who killed themselves because of the nightmare of going through the wrong puberty and their body changing exactly opposite to who they were really just joking about it. Stop being afraid of nothing.


I was looking for some ray of light in this thread, and I found it thanks mate.
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boy scouts should be for boys only. hence the name.


This so much
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The majority of children who may call themselves transgender might not understand what that is.

I mean hell, I wanted to be a T-Rex when I was a kid. I certainly didn't grow up to be a goddamn dinosaur. It's the same thing here. Most kids don't understand yet. You have to wait until you know this is how they really feel or just a passing childhood "I want this" thing.
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Why are there not just "scouts"? Do they really need to be separated based on sex/gender? Nothing I did as a boy scout was something a girl scout couldn't do.
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yea but u really want to go out baking cookies?
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If the kids were anything like me when I was a kid, the trans kids will probably be bullied.
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Anyone who watched Blair White understands transitioning as a kid is not a VERY good idea.
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Why are there not just "scouts"? Do they really need to be separated based on sex/gender? Nothing I did as a boy scout was something a girl scout couldn't do.


You didn't pee standing up when you were in boyscouts?

Being serious though, I agree with this. I honestly can't find any reason not to combine the two and believe me I've been looking pretty hard.
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Mixed gender scouting has been around for awhile.
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Venturing.aspx
No idea what this is all about 'feminists forcing the boy scouts to allow girls' but it's already a thing for high school age kids.

And good on the the BSA for opening up to inclusion. There's alot of skills taught that would be useful for anyone, whether they have a penis or not.
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ClothStatue wrote:

Transitioning process (for the 1 billionth time on these forums) for children: Hormonal blockers that harmlessly prevent irreversible changes of the child's body by stopping puberty until in their late teens where they may make the decision to transition on their own as fully autonomous beings. There's nothing pointing to this practice being in any way harmful to a child's health, but there's a fuckton of psychologists, and transgender children mind you, that agree that going through the wrong puberty is one of the highest points of suicide in transgender people. Honestly this topic has been beating a dead horse. I'm sure those kids who killed themselves because of the nightmare of going through the wrong puberty and their body changing exactly opposite to who they were really just joking about it. Stop being afraid of nothing.


I was looking for some ray of light in this thread, and I found it thanks mate.


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I'm not sure this is the appropriate place for this conversation. My best guess would be that the home is the best place for this one but since we're all here let me just state for the record that I don't care. I don't mean that in a negative way either. I just like to let people live their own lives, to learn their own lessons and allow people the chance to be true to themselves. As long as it's not hurting anyone then nobody should care and the mental scars because you can't deal with these issues is not real pain. You do what's right for you and allow others to have that same freedom. You don't have to like it or agree with it but guess what? Its not your life. Deal with your own issues and let others deal with theirs. I just get really sick of people thinking they are blessed with a unique one of a kind gift from God and that they and they alone know what is or isn't right for others. You're NOT that special, nobody is. Not you, not the President, nobody and this world would be a much better place if people would realize that. Eventually time will show us all how unimportant we really are. A hundred years from now we will all be dust just like all of the other standard people and animals that came and went before us.

Obviously this rant does NOT apply to all of you accepting people out there.
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Good this is progress.
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