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Posted 2/6/17 , edited 2/6/17

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I really questions your friends story... not saying your liying but perphaps they were. Getting a visa to live in another country isnt something you jump through hoops to do lightly. If nothing else the sheer cost would deter most people. If your friends really did leave because of the new president(though I suspect thats their BS excuse) I am not sure its a loss. I like to think the citizens of the US are bright enough to endure dissenting views. Throwing a temper tantrum because you didn't get your way is just silly.


They didn't "magically" just get a visa to another country. The moment that Trump announced his candidacy, they started the process. Seeing as each of the persons involved have a Masters or Doctorate degree - getting a permanent residency permit for Canada is pretty easy when you have the qualifications to do so. My friend who moved to Europe (Luxembourg, to be exact) ended up getting a work visa through a company that he had interviewed for (and sponsored him). The latter (friend) was in the process of moving one way or another - cited that Trump was just the deciding factor. The other two had their visas before Trump won and moved to get the fuck out of the country.

Moving doesn't equate to a "temper tantrum". It means that you've denounced someone's actions that's in charge so much that you simply do not want to be under a government that is at "their" mercy. Neither of my colleagues is remorseful for leaving the country; especially after some of Trump's recent decisions/choices. They knew that he wouldn't change from his "election campaign mentality" to a more "presidential" mentality. They're both quite happy with living in Canada; at least until Trump is no longer president. My friend in Luxembourg is hoping not to come back until at least then, as well; but, alas, you never know how long work visas are going to last.
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Posted 2/6/17 , edited 2/6/17

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Moving house = Temper tantrum?


If your moving because you didn't get your political way... not sure what else to call that other then a temper tantrum no?


No, like absolutely not. You don't like the way the country you live in is going and so you go to one that you prefer. It's not a temper tantrum to have a preference on where you live.
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Posted 2/6/17

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DevinKuska wrote:
I really questions your friends story... not saying your liying but perphaps they were. Getting a visa to live in another country isnt something you jump through hoops to do lightly. If nothing else the sheer cost would deter most people. If your friends really did leave because of the new president(though I suspect thats their BS excuse) I am not sure its a loss. I like to think the citizens of the US are bright enough to endure dissenting views. Throwing a temper tantrum because you didn't get your way is just silly.


They didn't "magically" just get a visa to another country. The moment that Trump announced his candidacy, they started the process. Seeing as each of the persons involved have a Masters or Doctorate degree - getting a permanent residency permit for Canada is pretty easy when you have the qualifications to do so. My friend who moved to Europe (Luxembourg, to be exact) ended up getting a work visa through a company that he had interviewed for (and sponsored him). The latter (friend) was in the process of moving one way or another - cited that Trump was just the deciding factor. The other two had their visas before Trump won and moved to get the fuck out of the country.

Moving doesn't equate to a "temper tantrum". It means that you've denounced someone's actions that's in charge so much that you simply do not want to be under a government that is at "their" mercy. Neither of my colleagues is remorseful for leaving the country; especially after some of Trump's recent decisions/choices. They knew that he wouldn't change from his "election campaign mentality" to a more "presidential" mentality. They're both quite happy with living in Canada; at least until Trump is no longer president. My friend in Luxembourg is hoping not to come back until at least then, as well; but, alas, you never know how long work visas are going to last.


I know the chances of this are slim, but I'm still gonna ask because I'm curious, was one of those people living in your area with a doctorate who moved to Canada Dr. Charles S. Wong by any chance?
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I know the chances of this are slim, but I'm still gonna ask because I'm curious, was one of those people living in your area with a doctorate who moved to Canada Dr. Charles S. Wong by any chance?


Nope, sorry to say. My colleague that moved up there has a Doctorate's in Computer Science and is kind of a hermit at the moment (he's looking for work in Burnaby, BC the last I spoke to him). He's a clever guy, just a bit eccentric in some ways (doesn't like dealing with people often). lol
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Posted 2/6/17

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DevinKuska wrote:
I really questions your friends story... not saying your liying but perphaps they were. Getting a visa to live in another country isnt something you jump through hoops to do lightly. If nothing else the sheer cost would deter most people. If your friends really did leave because of the new president(though I suspect thats their BS excuse) I am not sure its a loss. I like to think the citizens of the US are bright enough to endure dissenting views. Throwing a temper tantrum because you didn't get your way is just silly.


They didn't "magically" just get a visa to another country. The moment that Trump announced his candidacy, they started the process. Seeing as each of the persons involved have a Masters or Doctorate degree - getting a permanent residency permit for Canada is pretty easy when you have the qualifications to do so. My friend who moved to Europe (Luxembourg, to be exact) ended up getting a work visa through a company that he had interviewed for (and sponsored him). The latter (friend) was in the process of moving one way or another - cited that Trump was just the deciding factor. The other two had their visas before Trump won and moved to get the fuck out of the country.

Moving doesn't equate to a "temper tantrum". It means that you've denounced someone's actions that's in charge so much that you simply do not want to be under a government that is at "their" mercy. Neither of my colleagues is remorseful for leaving the country; especially after some of Trump's recent decisions/choices. They knew that he wouldn't change from his "election campaign mentality" to a more "presidential" mentality. They're both quite happy with living in Canada; at least until Trump is no longer president. My friend in Luxembourg is hoping not to come back until at least then, as well; but, alas, you never know how long work visas are going to last.


Historically speaking if everyone did this about half the country would leave every 8 years... not very effective. IMO the US was founded on people who fought the good fight and dreamed of changing things. Maybe I just have too high of expectations? Leaving because of a presidential candidate just seems ridiculous. Also I never said they magically got a visa, my point was I suspect they were going to leave no matter who won. Your friend in Luxembourg can always reapply for a new work visa elsewhere(assuming he/she did not "renounce US citizenship).
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I am not going to let some talking cheeto and his brown shirt thugs run me out of my country
Posted 2/6/17 , edited 2/6/17

DevinKuska wrote:
Historically speaking if everyone did this about half the country would leave every 8 years... not very effective. IMO the US was founded on people who fought the good fight and dreamed of changing things. Maybe I just have too high of expectations? Leaving because of a presidential candidate just seems ridiculous. Also I never said they magically got a visa, my point was I suspect they were going to leave no matter who won. Your friend in Luxembourg can always reapply for a new work visa elsewhere(assuming he/she did not "renounce US citizenship).


I knew of one person who left when Obama's first term started - they haven't been back since. It's not very effective, no. But you can't really tell someone not to do something when they've decided on something. When the political divide is so great that you don't agree with the majority (in that case, it was Democrats - now, it's Republicans), you'll find that some people will move simply because they believe that the purpose of America has been lost the moment these people are "in charge" of it.

The ones I've mentioned (outside of the one who moved to Luxembourg) had prepared their visas in case Trump won. Considering they both had pretty decent lives in America, I don't think it was a "I'm moving regardless of who won" situation (especially since the colleague that I mentioned to octorockandroll submitted his resignation the night that Trump won -- as he used to work for me until two weeks after Trump's win). The other colleague submitted his resignation at the beginning of the new year, stating that he can "no longer live in a country that is going to destroy everything it stood for just to prove a point." (quote from his e-mail). My friend was leaving either way - that was as given. He got a job there, he got the work visa. I would say that there's more of a chance of him being half-hearted about his "Fuck this Trump-ridden hell hole" when he left (compared to the colleagues).

Getting a work visa is usually more difficult than any other visa, in my experience (having had a work visa in the UK and Germany). Some countries have pretty insane requirements to obtain one. It's even more difficult in the US (but thankfully, I won't ever have to deal with that process lol).

Also, denouncing your US citizenship costs around $2,000 and it's a process in and of itself. I was thinking about doing that back when I had lived overseas long enough to become a citizen in England/UK. Most overseas Americans are only going to denounce their citizenship if they have a citizenship elsewhere (especially since US IRS expects income tax over $30,000 per year no matter where in the world you live if you want to remain a citizen).
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I know a few people who have been good on their word to move out of the US. They seem to be enjoying their lives now, actually. A couple are in the process of revoking their statesmanship. Expensive process, but apparently worth the financial sacrifice.
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I am not going to let some talking cheeto and his brown shirt thugs run me out of my country


Yeah because that is what he is trying to do!




as for me I been meaning to leave this country for years... just never get around to it, not because I hate America. But I love to travel, and I want to see most of the world before I get to old to do anything adventures.

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uncletim wrote:

I am not going to let some talking cheeto and his brown shirt thugs run me out of my country


Yeah because that is what he is trying to do!




as for me I been meaning to leave this country for years... just never get around to it, not because I hate America. But I love to travel, and I want to see most of the world before I get to old to do anything adventures.



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whoooooosh!!!!!


you

hardly surprising
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uncletim wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


uncletim wrote:

I am not going to let some talking cheeto and his brown shirt thugs run me out of my country


Yeah because that is what he is trying to do!




as for me I been meaning to leave this country for years... just never get around to it, not because I hate America. But I love to travel, and I want to see most of the world before I get to old to do anything adventures.



point

whoooooosh!!!!!


you

hardly surprising
I am tired of this Hate Propaganda nonsense. Trump not out to get you. He is no more worse than any other president we have ever had, he has done nothing no other president has never done before him.

Most of the hate of Trump, is coming from butt hurt media, and groups financed by George Soros. (who admits he is out to get Trump.)

Still been nice if the person I voted for won.. but people are to stupid to vote for a good candidates.
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