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Post Reply The Irrationality Behind Some Of The Hatred of PewDiePie and Other Thoughts
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Hello, PeripheralVisionary here, and I like to start a discussion/rant about the hatred concerning Pewdiepie. Now, I do not like his humor, but let us be honest. Why?

Most people I met have use such words as "Annoying" and "Unfunny", but nothing about of a moral nature, especially concerning his supposed charity streams, donations, and such.


And I ask...Why is a humor difference between you and him a cause to hate? Rather, why is a humor difference between some of my detractors and myself make PV hate anymore rational?

Because? It is not morally relevant. Humor difference is not a rational reason to exhibit such hatred or dislike. It is incredibly petty and immature.

Now, this exclude demeaning humors, and various other forms, but other than that, why hate me on such a reason?

Give me one good reason why you should be a humor nazi, so to speak.

I am awaiting answers.


Edit: Why did I make this thread? Well, apparently, a girl, who I do not really share any feelings for, said to "Go the fuck away. You're not amusing, you're annoying" when I said "hello" in a discord chat I shared with several other people. Reason has me to keep her identity anonymous, but honestly, I find it quite disturbing that we are willing to hate each other for humor difference.

Honestly, what am I, Tupac?
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Is it irrational though? Sense of humor is a personality trait, and if someone doesn't like your sense of humor they don't like an aspect of your personality. I love racist/sexist banter and rape jokes, and some people will see me as a terrible person because of that, and that's fine and perfectly rational isn't it?

Only as rational as hating someone for smelling bad, being fat and ugly, supporting nazis etc. anyway
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Is it irrational though? Sense of humor is a personality trait, and if someone doesn't like your sense of humor they don't like an aspect of your personality. I love racist/sexist banter and rape jokes, and some people will see me as a terrible person because of that, and that's fine and perfectly rational isn't it?

Only as rational as hating someone for smelling bad, being fat and ugly, supporting nazis etc. anyway


You can file those under moral claims, or being morally relevant, or a difference in perceived morality. I hate people like Milo not for having a sick sense of humor but how they choose to express it for the sole purpose of offending others and hurting their feelings. In general, he is being a dick with his humor. The problem isn't so much the punchline as how he chooses to use it.


Only as rational as hating someone for smelling bad, being fat and ugly, supporting nazis etc. anyway


I am not sure how those are morally relevant besides Nazism. If you hate someone for being fat and ugly, you are a prick, much like these humor nazis I mentioned.

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I agree that he doesn't deserve a lot of the hate that comes his way. He seems like a genuinely nice guy who tries to do the right thing with his fame. There are other youtubers (*cough*tmartn/prosyndicate*cough*) who are much more deserving of disdain.

That said, I don't think that people really dislike him because of his humor. They dislike him because they believe he doesn't deserve to be in the position he is in. Sort of like how people hate Call of Duty. Its not a terrible game, in fact it is pretty good at times, it just might not deserve to sell millions of copies a year so people give it shit. I guess the base of this is a sort of "fame justice" where people believe the things that are the best should be the most famous so they lash out against things which doesn't fit that pattern?
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You can file those under moral claims, or being morally relevant, or a difference in perceived morality. I hate people like Milo not for having a sick sense of humor but how they choose to express it for the sole purpose of offending others and hurting their feelings. In general, he is being a dick with his humor. The problem isn't so much the punchline as how he chooses to use it.

I am not sure how those are morally relevant besides Nazism. If you hate someone for being fat and ugly, you are a prick, much like these humor nazis I mentioned.



Sorry I'm just having a hard time seeing why you feel that the hate is any less justified.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

You can file those under moral claims, or being morally relevant, or a difference in perceived morality. I hate people like Milo not for having a sick sense of humor but how they choose to express it for the sole purpose of offending others and hurting their feelings. In general, he is being a dick with his humor. The problem isn't so much the punchline as how he chooses to use it.

I am not sure how those are morally relevant besides Nazism. If you hate someone for being fat and ugly, you are a prick, much like these humor nazis I mentioned.



Sorry I'm just having a hard time seeing why you feel that the hate is any less justified.


There is a definite difference between a preference of humor and a preference of ethical matters for most people.

For example, imagine preference of humor to that of ice cream. I like chocolate, and I ask my friend what he likes, and he says vanilla. Now most people wouldn't ask like myself won't ask him to "justify" why he likes it like it as if it is an ethical matter. His liking of ice cream does in no way say I cannot like chocolate, and vice versa, and this is how I see humor of people like Pewdiepie for the most part.

Then there are ethical dilemmas that state how things should be done or how things should be. Unlike chocolate, anyone having a differing view in ethical dilemmas contradicts yours, because by nature a disagreement in ethics means you both cannot have your way, especially considering we develop ethics over a variety of issues we consider important enough that it must be one way or another. Although in the end morality tends to be more preference than a lot of people might like to admit.

Humor can be relatively benign "How did the chicken cross the road?" to a racially charge joke where I propose a comicbook series about the "Adventures of Black-man,a white man with the power of black people in a future where black people do not exist." Now you could make a conclusion, rational or irrational, that this is indicative of a moral claim of ethics that I may or may not hold, and if it disagrees with you, then one would normally and somewhat rationally ask me to reassert my stance on racism

At least that is how I see it. I have a hard time determining relevance though.

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I agree that he doesn't deserve a lot of the hate that comes his way. He seems like a genuinely nice guy who tries to do the right thing with his fame. There are other youtubers (*cough*tmartn/prosyndicate*cough*) who are much more deserving of disdain.

That said, I don't think that people really dislike him because of his humor. They dislike him because they believe he doesn't deserve to be in the position he is in. Sort of like how people hate Call of Duty. Its not a terrible game, in fact it is pretty good at times, it just might not deserve to sell millions of copies a year so people give it shit. I guess the base of this is a sort of "fame justice" where people believe the things that are the best should be the most famous so they lash out against things which doesn't fit that pattern?


I think it all ties into how he makes his money, and the fact that they end up dissatisfied what he brings to the table, namely his humor. I agree with you, but I also do not think I am entirely mistaken either.

On the case of horrible youtubes, Onision should literally die.
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The humor thing is just an excuse to be a dick, for the most part. It's just a trigger. People have their "favorite football teams" and get competitive, some are just twats, we've got "the hipster effect," and still others like to exaggerate their annoyance and dump their frustrations upon a target. It's pretty rare that there's a deeper reason, like in regard to Onision.
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I think it’s more of a jealousy & envy thing. Like they can never get away with saying such outlandish things so they hate on people who get away with it. After all if their offensive and insensitive jokes pay their bills, they will keep doing them. If they don’t, they’ll stop. So what people are really mad at the fame and fortune people who offend them achieve. Or they’re trying to conform to their group mentality. Their leaders say so & so is unfunny and they hate them, therefore they too must hate them. The leader dictates to the group what is and isn’t acceptable and the group that agrees believes it’s a consensus. That which doesn’t conform to the consensus is vilified and hated. And when people try to defend the object of their hatred they take it as an attack on their personal morality. Talking about how much you dislike or how unfunny something is is the best kind of free publicity. It gets otherwise uninterested parties curious to what one is even talking about. Three perfect examples are Howard Stern, GTA & South Park. Also, hating something gives it power over you. One can ruin your day by talking about the thing you hate? Why would you let anything have that kind of power?

(NOTE: As a sports fan I talk a lot about hating teams and their fans, but only during the season or related conversations. It’s in the spirit of the competition that is occurring. It’s not something I genuinely feel.)
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I think it’s more of a jealousy & envy thing. Like they can never get away with saying such outlandish things so they hate on people who get away with it. After all if their offensive and insensitive jokes pay their bills, they will keep doing them. If they don’t, they’ll stop. So what people are really mad at the fame and fortune people who offend them achieve. Or they’re trying to conform to their group mentality. Their leaders say so & so is unfunny and they hate them, therefore they too must hate them. The leader dictates to the group what is and isn’t acceptable and the group that agrees believes it’s a consensus. That which doesn’t conform to the consensus is vilified and hated. And when people try to defend the object of their hatred they take it as an attack on their personal morality. Talking about how much you dislike or how unfunny something is is the best kind of free publicity. It gets otherwise uninterested parties curious to what one is even talking about. Three perfect examples are Howard Stern, GTA & South Park. Also, hating something gives it power over you. One can ruin your day by talking about the thing you hate? Why would you let anything have that kind of power?

(NOTE: As a sports fan I talk a lot about hating teams and their fans, but only during the season or related conversations. It’s in the spirit of the competition that is occurring. It’s not something I genuinely feel.)


I see what you mean. But who can hate me, PV, the greatest onii chan to have ever lived?
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When did you become so sensitive, PV? You more than likely just asked that girl to marry you one too many times.
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camay1997 wrote:

I think it’s more of a jealousy & envy thing. Like they can never get away with saying such outlandish things so they hate on people who get away with it. After all if their offensive and insensitive jokes pay their bills, they will keep doing them. If they don’t, they’ll stop. So what people are really mad at the fame and fortune people who offend them achieve. Or they’re trying to conform to their group mentality. Their leaders say so & so is unfunny and they hate them, therefore they too must hate them. The leader dictates to the group what is and isn’t acceptable and the group that agrees believes it’s a consensus. That which doesn’t conform to the consensus is vilified and hated. And when people try to defend the object of their hatred they take it as an attack on their personal morality. Talking about how much you dislike or how unfunny something is is the best kind of free publicity. It gets otherwise uninterested parties curious to what one is even talking about. Three perfect examples are Howard Stern, GTA & South Park. Also, hating something gives it power over you. One can ruin your day by talking about the thing you hate? Why would you let anything have that kind of power?

(NOTE: As a sports fan I talk a lot about hating teams and their fans, but only during the season or related conversations. It’s in the spirit of the competition that is occurring. It’s not something I genuinely feel.)


I see what you mean. But who can hate me, PV, the greatest onii chan to have ever lived?


That guy with the pichu profile pic is honestly going to replace you when he grows older tbh
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When did you become so sensitive, PV? You more than likely just asked that girl to marry you one too many times.


I am pretty sure I never asked Axe to marry me once.
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tntcls wrote:

When did you become so sensitive, PV? You more than likely just asked that girl to marry you one too many times.


I am pretty sure I never asked Axe to marry me once.


Oh. Well, an "onii-chan" such as yourself complaining about getting a reaction like that from Axe is like complaining about thekevin4's thwipping. These are just things that happen. It's best to get over them rather quickly.
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I don't think he's funny, and I do find his videos obnoxious. It's just stupid kid shit. I have nothing but respect for what he's accomplished though. Good for him.
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