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Why does the left want to kill free speech?




Is this really the kind of world you want to live in?
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Because they believe their way is the right way and all other ways are wrong
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Geez, I can't remember the name of the Soviet who summed up regressive ideology so well, but it was basically "We needed freedom of speech when we were a minority and not in power. Now that we are in power freedom of speech is no longer important".

They try to justify their hypocrisy with "We don't tolerate intolerance" or "Hate speech is not free speech". Anybody who knows anything about tolerance knows that not everyone agrees on what is hateful, and not everyone agrees on what is legitimate or illegitimate intolerance. They know this; they just don't care. It's all sanctimonious posturing.

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First of all, most of those protesters probably weren't Berkeley students, but outside agitators.

Second of all, you're categorizing the left as a monolithic homogeneous group consumed by group thing. What are they, Klingons? Oh wait, they must be Orcs!

I do agree that while Milo is by far the most psychopathic pundit in terms of his actual ideology "Fuck your feelings" (No, you cannot just say to everyone fuck your feelings and say whatever thing you want when you want it, you cunt.), he does deserve free speech.

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First of all, most of those protesters probably weren't Berkeley students, but outside agitators.

Second of all, you're categorizing the left as a monolithic homogeneous group consumed by group thing. What are they, Klingons? Oh wait, they must be Orcs!

I do agree that while Milo is by far the most psychopathic pundit in terms of his actual ideology "Fuck your feelings" (No, you cannot just say to everyone fuck your feelings and say whatever thing you want when you want it, you cunt.), he does deserve free speech.



The Klingons, while tribal, had a very meritocratic warrior streak that made their society somewhat individualist. It was the Borg that more accurately reflects the collectivist, authoritarian Western left. "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated". Groupthink is very mainstream among the Western left. They say they love "diversity". You can be a black collectivist humanist, a white collectivist humanist, an Arab collectivist humanist, a Chinese collectivist humanist, a Christian collectivist humanist, a Buddhist collectivist humanist, ad nauseum.
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Nice bait mate.

Didn't someone already explain Simpson's Paradox in another thread recently? I don't see the point of this.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

First of all, most of those protesters probably weren't Berkeley students, but outside agitators.

Second of all, you're categorizing the left as a monolithic homogeneous group consumed by group thing. What are they, Klingons? Oh wait, they must be Orcs!

I do agree that while Milo is by far the most psychopathic pundit in terms of his actual ideology "Fuck your feelings" (No, you cannot just say to everyone fuck your feelings and say whatever thing you want when you want it, you cunt.), he does deserve free speech.



The Klingons, while tribal, had a very meritocratic warrior streak that made their society somewhat individualist. It was the Borg that more accurately reflects the collectivist, authoritarian Western left. "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated". Groupthink is very mainstream among the Western left. They say they love "diversity". You can be a black collectivist humanist, a white collectivist humanist, an Arab collectivist humanist, a Chinese collectivist humanist, a Christian collectivist humanist, a Buddhist collectivist humanist, ad nauseum.


Actually, it was a reference to the Trope "Planet of Hats" hence the inclusion of Orc. Where an entire species has been for the most part been so uniformed in thought and ideology mirroring that of an "inherently evil" race like the Orcs (Understandable, due to them being more primal and animalistic, especially given their creation, but I digress.) that they are the designated antagonists. I suppose I should have used Daleks, especially concerning that one episode where a Dalek can barely live with himself that honestly, made me pity him.

In any case, we live in a world where Tupac was gunned down because someone did not like his music, and to celebrate Super Bowl 51, a world where you can literally be killed for going to a football game in the wrong Jersey.

Large groups like leftists have a huge variety, not unlike the Right wingers, and I think to say that the Left wants to destroy free speech is a nonsensical look at just the most vocal opponents of the right. This doesn't make anymore sense than saying Milo is the voice of right wingers (More of the Right Wing Millenial trolls prowling the internet, but I hardly think that such people leave the house, much less vote, and are not entirely indicative of the right wingers and their attitudes.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

First of all, most of those protesters probably weren't Berkeley students, but outside agitators.

Second of all, you're categorizing the left as a monolithic homogeneous group consumed by group thing. What are they, Klingons? Oh wait, they must be Orcs!

I do agree that while Milo is by far the most psychopathic pundit in terms of his actual ideology "Fuck your feelings" (No, you cannot just say to everyone fuck your feelings and say whatever thing you want when you want it, you cunt.), he does deserve free speech.



On what basis do you believe that most of the rioters (note: not protesters) were probably not Berkeley students? It seems to me it's very hard to know who exactly the rioters were. They could very well have been Berkeley students or maybe they were in fact just outside agitators.

The thing is though, it doesn't really matter who it was that was involved in the riots. What we should have seen was outright condemnation from the Left, from the students, from the police and from the media. Instead we mostly heard justification, excuses, scapegoating and sometimes outright support for the rioters. There was a very noteworthy lack of police action for a long time, the cause of this is unknown.

You can comment on the Left as a whole without suggesting they all think the exact same thing. It's a generalisation, of course. There were a few Leftist mediums that spoke out against the riots. But the point still stands that the majority of the Left were silent, making excuses or even supporting the rioters.

Also- Fuck your feelings.
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I don't see how anyone's free speech rights were violated.
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I don't see how anyone's free speech rights were violated.


You may want to look up Freedom of Speech. Once you do, you'll probably figure out why this was a violation of Free Speech.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

First of all, most of those protesters probably weren't Berkeley students, but outside agitators.

Second of all, you're categorizing the left as a monolithic homogeneous group consumed by group thing. What are they, Klingons? Oh wait, they must be Orcs!

I do agree that while Milo is by far the most psychopathic pundit in terms of his actual ideology "Fuck your feelings" (No, you cannot just say to everyone fuck your feelings and say whatever thing you want when you want it, you cunt.), he does deserve free speech.



On what basis do you believe that most of the rioters (note: not protesters) were probably not Berkeley students? It seems to me it's very hard to know who exactly the rioters were. They could very well have been Berkeley students or maybe they were in fact just outside agitators.

The thing is though, it doesn't really matter who it was that was involved in the riots. What we should have seen was outright condemnation from the Left, from the students, from the police and from the media. Instead we mostly heard justification, excuses, scapegoating and sometimes outright support for the rioters. There was a very noteworthy lack of police action for a long time, the cause of this is unknown.

You can comment on the Left as a whole without suggesting they all think the exact same thing. It's a generalisation, of course. There were a few Leftist mediums that spoke out against the riots. But the point still stands that the majority of the Left were silent, making excuses or even supporting the rioters.

Also- Fuck your feelings.


I do agree outright condemnation is needed, I do.

I also do not believe those rioters were right wingers in conspiracy to deface the left, but honestly? This isn't some 3rd rate liberal arts community college. This is a school that has long been considered one of the most prestigious in the US as a research institution university. You don't traditionally hear rioting by Harvard students or Stanford, because those students have too much riding on the line to risk an expulsion from such an institution, that they probably already were well into their studies. In any case, there was rioting at the campus just for that day because he was scheduled to be there, despite it being planned months well into advance, and I wouldn't chalk it up to ignorance that most students weren't aware till the day before. In any case, rioting is most definitely efficient not beforehand, but during, or at least that is what I am assuming.

I do not know about lack of police action, it seems to me they were doing a great deal to corral the crowd (I imagine it wouldn't be a smooth 1,2,3 unless you are using lethal force, which seriously look down upon, and you need quite a number of policemen for such a crowd.)

I also want to know your majority statistic. Do you search for condemnations on twitter or something? I think it seems very shady, but I agree that there is a lot of silence on the left for such a silence.

I still do not approve of the OPs opening statement.


Also- Fuck your feelings.


Well I am triggered.
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eviscery wrote:


You may want to look up Freedom of Speech. Once you do, you'll probably figure out why this was a violation of Free Speech.


Is Yiannopoulos in jail?
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eviscery wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

I don't see how anyone's free speech rights were violated.


You may want to look up Freedom of Speech. Once you do, you'll probably figure out why this was a violation of Free Speech.


I am not sure if you can consider this act of intimidation to be a violation I believe, all things consider, this was a mob, not the entire campus institution or a governing power, but that is just legalese I do not really remember. I still get your point, not to take away from it or anything.
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Both sides are guilty. Remember people getting their shit rocked at Trump rallies? But it's sad how political schools have become.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:


eviscery wrote:


You may want to look up Freedom of Speech. Once you do, you'll probably figure out why this was a violation of Free Speech.


Is Yiannopoulos in jail?


His speech was cancelled in response to the riots, that's presumably what he's talking about.

edit: As PV said, it's a far cry from a serious violation, but shutting it down with a riot was still not the right thing to do.
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