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Posted 2/5/17 , edited 2/5/17

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


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You may want to look up Freedom of Speech. Once you do, you'll probably figure out why this was a violation of Free Speech.


Is Yiannopoulos in jail?


You probably should embellish your reasoning. I do not entirely understand it.
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He was going to have a speech there, right?

They just didn't want him to have a speech there..
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

You probably should embellish your reasoning. I do not entirely understand it.


To my knowledge, Yiannopoulos has not been punished by the government for anything he's said. So his rights have not been violated.
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He was going to have a speech there, right?

They just didn't want him to have a speech there..


With violence and fire. I mean, Milo is pretty bad, but again, fire. Violence. Bats.
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This made me laugh watch the the left speaker try and explain himself really funny

https://youtu.be/s7WZFv-WWGM
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Also this...

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Actually, it was a reference to the Trope "Planet of Hats" hence the inclusion of Orc. Where an entire species has been for the most part been so uniformed in thought and ideology mirroring that of an "inherently evil" race like the Orcs (Understandable, due to them being more primal and animalistic, especially given their creation, but I digress.) that they are the designated antagonists. I suppose I should have used Daleks, especially concerning that one episode where a Dalek can barely live with himself that honestly, made me pity him.

In any case, we live in a world where Tupac was gunned down because someone did not like his music, and to celebrate Super Bowl 51, a world where you can literally be killed for going to a football game in the wrong Jersey.

Large groups like leftists have a huge variety, not unlike the Right wingers, and I think to say that the Left wants to destroy free speech is a nonsensical look at just the most vocal opponents of the right. This doesn't make anymore sense than saying Milo is the voice of right wingers (More of the Right Wing Millenial trolls prowling the internet, but I hardly think that such people leave the house, much less vote, and are not entirely indicative of the right wingers and their attitudes.



If there were no similarities among "right" and "left" then we would not be using the terms. While there may be a myriad of differences in opinion about practical implementation, we may still say that, in general, the left is more for collectivism and authoritarianism. The classical definition is that as we go more to the left we approach collectivism and authoritarism, and as we go to the right on the scale we become more individualist and libertarian. Hence, it is intrinsic to the spectrum that the left will oppose individual liberties such as freedom of speech more than the right.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


official-shinsengumi wrote:

He was going to have a speech there, right?

They just didn't want him to have a speech there..


With violence and fire. I mean, Milo is pretty bad, but again, fire. Violence. Bats.


well, yea...

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official-shinsengumi wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


official-shinsengumi wrote:

He was going to have a speech there, right?

They just didn't want him to have a speech there..


With violence and fire. I mean, Milo is pretty bad, but again, fire. Violence. Bats.


well, yea...



I am pretty stupid. I thought you were attempting to justify it. Not that I have a problem with reasoning out why a mob might have done something like this, at least where I am from. I think such an attempt at empathy like looking at reasons could potentially be beneficial. Then again, perhaps I am misusing the word justify.
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First of all, most of those protesters probably weren't Berkeley students, but outside agitators.

Second of all, you're categorizing the left as a monolithic homogeneous group consumed by group thing. What are they, Klingons? Oh wait, they must be Orcs!

I do agree that while Milo is by far the most psychopathic pundit in terms of his actual ideology "Fuck your feelings" (No, you cannot just say to everyone fuck your feelings and say whatever thing you want when you want it, you cunt.), he does deserve free speech.



On what basis do you believe that most of the rioters (note: not protesters) were probably not Berkeley students? It seems to me it's very hard to know who exactly the rioters were. They could very well have been Berkeley students or maybe they were in fact just outside agitators.

The thing is though, it doesn't really matter who it was that was involved in the riots. What we should have seen was outright condemnation from the Left, from the students, from the police and from the media. Instead we mostly heard justification, excuses, scapegoating and sometimes outright support for the rioters. There was a very noteworthy lack of police action for a long time, the cause of this is unknown.

You can comment on the Left as a whole without suggesting they all think the exact same thing. It's a generalisation, of course. There were a few Leftist mediums that spoke out against the riots. But the point still stands that the majority of the Left were silent, making excuses or even supporting the rioters.

Also- Fuck your feelings.


I do agree outright condemnation is needed, I do.

I also do not believe those rioters were right wingers in conspiracy to deface the left, but honestly? This isn't some 3rd rate liberal arts community college. This is a school that has long been considered one of the most prestigious in the US as a research institution university. You don't traditionally hear rioting by Harvard students or Stanford, because those students have too much riding on the line to risk an expulsion from such an institution, that they probably already were well into their studies. In any case, there was rioting at the campus just for that day because he was scheduled to be there, despite it being planned months well into advance, and I wouldn't chalk it up to ignorance that most students weren't aware till the day before. In any case, rioting is most definitely efficient not beforehand, but during, or at least that is what I am assuming.

I do not know about lack of police action, it seems to me they were doing a great deal to corral the crowd (I imagine it wouldn't be a smooth 1,2,3 unless you are using lethal force, which seriously look down upon, and you need quite a number of policemen for such a crowd.)

I also want to know your majority statistic. Do you search for condemnations on twitter or something? I think it seems very shady, but I agree that there is a lot of silence on the left for such a silence.

I still do not approve of the OPs opening statement.


Also- Fuck your feelings.


Well I am triggered. :(



While I can see your logic in determining the likelihood that the rioters were Berkeley students I can't say I'm convinced. While it may be the case that students from prestigious institutions are less likely to be involved in protests it may very well not be. It may make sense but I don't think it's fair to conclude that it is the case. Regardless, I don't think who the protesters actually were matters as much as the mainstream reaction. A hundred or so agitators aren't a huge social issue.

From watching footage of the riots it seems that the police initially didn't do anything. They did later do a good job at breaking up the protests but initially it seemed like very little was done. I may not have been able to get the full picture just from footage and it's also possible that the police were simply unable to do anything initially due to the scale of the riot.

While I probably should have been clearer on this, It's only my personal impression that most of the Left responded in that way. It would be very hard to statistical prove such a thing but I saw very little condemnation and even when I did it was accompanied by an excuse or scapegoat. Like The Young Turks claiming they were probably right-wingers trying to deface the Left.

The opening statement lacks any nuance but it does make a point. We don't know the rioters were students but the statement does show the social shift on views on freedom of speech.

I'm sorry for triggering you I wanted to seem edgy and cool
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

You probably should embellish your reasoning. I do not entirely understand it.


To my knowledge, Yiannopoulos has not been punished by the government for anything he's said. So his rights have not been violated.


Being punished by the government is not the only thing that constitutes a violation of Free Speech. This is why I told you to look it up.
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BTW, the group behind the riots received $50,000 from George Soros' groups.
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/05/refuse-fascism-group-behind-berkeley-riot-funded-george-soros/

Notice how Kaufman refers to Milo's speech supporting freedom of speech as "hate speech". That's right: supporting free speech is "hate speech". This is the mainstream left, people.
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Unless those protesters where government officials his freedom speech was not infringed upon

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
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Probably because they find it convenient for reaching their current goals. Seems a bit short sighted, but there you have it.
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If there were no similarities among "right" and "left" then we would not be using the terms. While there may be a myriad of differences in opinion about practical implementation, we may still say that, in general, the left is more for collectivism and authoritarianism. The classical definition is that as we go more to the left we approach collectivism and authoritarism, and as we go to the right on the scale we become more individualist and libertarian. Hence, it is intrinsic to the spectrum that the left will oppose individual liberties such as freedom of speech more than the right.


lolwhut? Which group favors rights of the individual vs authoritarianism typically depends on the issue. The left, for example, would like to see law enforcement be put under more scrutiny, and give women more control in regards to abortion, and support LGBT rights, all of which of these would be considering supporting individual freedoms. Wheras they also want more regulation when it comes to environmental issues, want more restrictions placed on big businesses, and are at times willing to support "big government" in order to secure those freedoms, all of which could be considered authoritarian.
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