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Post Reply Is learning a Japanese Martial Art Useless? Why or Why not?
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Posted 2/8/17
Well, if you're interested in fitness training in a martial art is more practical than hot yoga, pilates or spinning, etc.
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Well you know the first thing they teach you when you start practicing martial arts is to never use it for personal gain or preferably not outside of the dojo at all. If it's in self-defence, there is some leeway, but martial arts is not about defeating foes(at least not anymore).

It's as you said, a great method of having a zen state, become more attuned to your own body, know your limitations more and overcome them. It's Yoga, but with punching and kicking. I've practiced Karate, Judo and Aikido myself and what you get from that is greater physical strength, more confidence in yourself and your body and sometimes a vent for pent-up frustrations.

After that I went on to Krav Maga and boy did I get my ass kicked constantly for the first months.
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If your heart set on traditional, Kyokushin or Judo. I'd not recommend the Mcdojo route, though. Most traditional martial arts places put heavy emphasis on low to no contact and Katas. This will not teach you anything about realistic fighting or about yourself. I love Brazilian Jiujitsu the most because I can spar at full intensity, while having a relatively low percentage of getting injured.

Ultimately, the only way to learn your strengths and weakness is through sparring against someone who is not cooperating and is engaged to defeat you as well.
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Learning to play baseball is just as useless.
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There are more reasons then self defense. Martials arts are more of a practical sport, so to speak. Although I think it is pretty sad to emphasize Japanese martial arts when there plenty, and in terms of defensive arts, not just located in the Eastern regions.
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I studied Kenjustu for a time , specifically Niten Ichi-ryu. And while I can not dismiss it as a good way to centre oneself I can honestly say I found it lacking in the elements I personally wanted. To me it had departed too far from what a swordsman should be and far too much into what a monk or a priest should be. In the end a sword or any weapon is a tool that can only be used in an offensive way.

The reasons why offensive ways should be used are uncountable but I believe a good teacher should dispense with excessive morality and instead teach reason and skills. This is why I left Kenjustu behind and instead focused on HEMA. I find the longsword in particular a superior weapon to learn what a swordsman or warrior should be. It is not as a elegant weapon as the Katana but like Michelangelo I believe there is only true beauty when you remove everything unnecessary. And a longsword is that, a blade with everything unnecessary removed and HEMA is teaching with everything unnecessary removed.

So yes OP I have to agree that Japanese martial arts are somewhat useless in this day and age. If spirituality is what you wish to learn become a Shinto priest or something. Perhaps I will change my opinion once the Japanese learn to remove all that unnecessary flowery poetry from their teachings but I am not holding my breath.
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I don't need to learn martial arts, if I want self defense, I'd get a gun. (And I will once I get the required licenses)
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MonoDreams wrote:

I don't need to learn martial arts, if I want self defense, I'd get a gun. (And I will once I get the required licenses)


Mate even in your homeland Concealed carry and Open Carry permits can be a hassle to get. In other countries forget about it , hell the UK bans things that even remotely look like guns. Besides my body is an infinity more controllable weapon, I can choose how I attack and how much force I apply. A firearm is much harder to use without severely injuring or outright killing your assailant . And while I have no issues killing an assailant I like to think I more then some mindless killing machine.

Trust me blood is not something that comes off easy. And even hardened combat vets have trouble dealing with the people they've killed. So you think a teenager like you is ready to be responsible for someone's death?
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I don't have to answer that.
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I would love to learn sword lesson but can't due to diabetes, I'll just get black out due to working out too much! You guys remember the Anime movie call Sword of the Stranger?

Check it out, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APHzdQjB-Ak
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atleap wrote:

Well you know the first thing they teach you when you start practicing martial arts is to never use it for personal gain or preferably not outside of the dojo at all. If it's in self-defence, there is some leeway, but martial arts is not about defeating foes(at least not anymore).

It's as you said, a great method of having a zen state, become more attuned to your own body, know your limitations more and overcome them. It's Yoga, but with punching and kicking. I've practiced Karate, Judo and Aikido myself and what you get from that is greater physical strength, more confidence in yourself and your body and sometimes a vent for pent-up frustrations.

After that I went on to Krav Maga and boy did I get my ass kicked constantly for the first months.


Here they say in a fight to defend yourself its ok it's more a dont say don't tell kind of basis.
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MonoDreams wrote:

I don't need to learn martial arts, if I want self defense, I'd get a gun. (And I will once I get the required licenses)


Mate even in your homeland Concealed carry and Open Carry permits can be a hassle to get. In other countries forget about it , hell the UK bans things that even remotely look like guns. Besides my body is an infinity more controllable weapon, I can choose how I attack and how much force I apply. A firearm is much harder to use without severely injuring or outright killing your assailant . And while I have no issues killing an assailant I like to think I more then some mindless killing machine.

Trust me blood is not something that comes off easy. And even hardened combat vets have trouble dealing with the people they've killed. So you think a teenager like you is ready to be responsible for someone's death?


well if he is a sociopath or psychopath and can turn off his empathy he could be but im not sure he fits in either three categories
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I mean you can argue anything is useless. I'm in kendo and obviously I don't think of it as useless. Sure it doesn't really have any modern day application, but it is exercise and something to work at and improve on.
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While I can give the "keyboard warrior" some leeway with the mostly conjecture-based "reverse punch vs _______" argument, pushing the "infallible gun" standpoint convinces me that he's a fool who confuses actual combat with simple shooting ranges. It's naïve to assume that the gap between combatants will never close.


Personally, I certainly don't think that martial arts are useless, although I may argue that training methods, cost, and styles are comparatively impractical. The general result of training is that practitioners are granted, at least, reasonable fitness and/or skill in self-defense. Hardly a classic example of "impracticality," methinks.
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MonoDreams wrote:

I don't need to learn martial arts, if I want self defense, I'd get a gun. (And I will once I get the required licenses)


If self defense is your true goal. You should be learning Martial Arts

Civilian gun use is consider a last resort measure unless inside your own home. Just brandishing a weapon in a situation where its not warranted will get you tossed in jail and your concealed carry gone. You think something like a confrontation at a bar will count?

Not to mention if your life truly is on the line, and you have a jam or gun failure. Or have someone get the drop on you before you can draw.

"Excuse me Mr. Thug, please allow me enough space and time so I can draw my pistol, thank you"

It will also help having the experience, assuming you take up something with sparring. So you can learn to keep a level head while fighting, reading body language, and above all some self control.


Don't get me wrong, I love guns and I'm armed to the fucking teeth. But viewing it as the first and only line of defense is courting trouble on so many levels.
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