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Post Reply Is learning a Japanese Martial Art Useless? Why or Why not?
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Boxing is more useful and running away is the most useful.


Boxing being a useful self defence tool, debatable. Running away however, you run once you'll be running your entire life. If you can't face a challenge then what's the point. Your assailant will just do the same thing to another person. We all have a duty to correct their thinking, with physical force if need be. We can't do that if we run away like a little bitch.


Not true, at all.
Also I sense trolling here. Lol
Edit- Was ruder than necessary, sorry. If it's one guy you assume you can take on, sure. But if it's three guys with knives and you have an oppurtunity to run? depends on the situation.
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Although a few people have unknowingly touched on it, it is important to realize that there are numerous Japanese martial arts that do not involve weapons. Judo, Akido, amongst others. I used to study Shotokan, which is one of the Japanese styles of karate.

And as others have more directly noted, there are plenty of weapon based martial arts which are not Japanese in origin.

To the heart of your question, such training can be fun and useful. It can also lead to other martial arts. Mental discipline training is involved in any martial art's training, and that's always useful.

From a practicality standpoint, a small story: Back in the 1980s, IIRC, there was a fairly high level black belt in Shotokan who was a federal agent, he was involved in the party taking the door on a fugitive group of extremists. He was wearing body armor. As they went in through the door, he was shot. The bullet entered in through the body armor gap under his arm and he died, killed by a frightened kid with a rifle.

Our dojo's sensei told us that story to remind us that no matter how good we thought we were, here was a story of a guy who was armed with an assault rifle, a pistol and body armor, who was a (3rd?) degree black belt, and still ended up dead. He told us to think about that if we thought we were capable of taking on a mugger with a knife or a gun.

So you can end up taking a martial art involving weapons which you don't have, and end up in a fight and end up dead. Or you can go for a hand/fist martial art, and end up dead. Or you can be armed to the teeth and end up dead.

If you're talking a self-defense course, it is only meant for emergency situations, essentially last resort situations. Which is why a lot of quickie self-defense courses emphasize how to do the maximum amount of damage as quickly as possible, to hell with finesse.

Martial arts can be useful in a fight, of course. But, LOL, don't think you're going to be blocking bullets with swords.
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Not true, at all.
Also I sense trolling here. Lol
Edit- Was ruder than necessary, sorry. If it's one guy you assume you can take on, sure. But if it's three guys with knives and you have an oppurtunity to run? depends on the situation.


I've faced worse odds and come out the victor. Sure I got cut up a bit, lost a little blood, and added a few more scars to the collection. But my assailants served their time and actually came out better people for it . If the price I have to pay is a pint of blood lost and a bit of scar tissue to make the world a better place and people better so be it.

Worrying about every little detail is just going to make you grey before your time.
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I practice self defense MMA (kinda a karate/jui jitsu mix) and as for weapons we stick with kali or bo staff since in reality if you are going to find a weapon on the ground it is something that is most likely going to be similar to a stick.

Having some self defense techniques is always a plus. Sure against a gun, you are powerless, but at the same time there are places where you cannot legally carry a gun or perhaps you do not wish to carry one at all times and the only means of self defense you will have will be your arms, legs and maybe a knife.

That being said, if absolutely nothing else it's a fun and interesting way to exercise.


flipmane wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


Roboteki wrote:

Boxing is more useful and running away is the most useful.


Boxing being a useful self defence tool, debatable. Running away however, you run once you'll be running your entire life. If you can't face a challenge then what's the point. Your assailant will just do the same thing to another person. We all have a duty to correct their thinking, with physical force if need be. We can't do that if we run away like a little bitch.


Not true, at all.
Also I sense trolling here. Lol
Edit- Was ruder than necessary, sorry. If it's one guy you assume you can take on, sure. But if it's three guys with knives and you have an oppurtunity to run? depends on the situation.



True. Self defense should be a last resort and running away isn't wimpy, especially since you never know if the perpetrator is a nut job who has no problem with shooting or stabbing a stranger. It's one of those things that is nice to have, but you should hope you never have to use it.
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Ranwolf wrote:


flipmane wrote:



Not true, at all.
Also I sense trolling here. Lol
Edit- Was ruder than necessary, sorry. If it's one guy you assume you can take on, sure. But if it's three guys with knives and you have an oppurtunity to run? depends on the situation.


I've faced worse odds and come out the victor. Sure I got cut up a bit, lost a little blood, and added a few more scars to the collection. But my assailants served their time and actually came out better people for it . If the price I have to pay is a pint of blood lost and a bit of scar tissue to make the world a better place and people better so be it.

Worrying about every little detail is just going to make you grey before your time.


I'm not saying you're wrong; If you're good enough to get out alive or moderately scarred, and are up for it, by all means. If it's someone who sits inside all day, isn't in good shape, and has little to no training, and rarely ever thinks about violence- they will be different.

I didn't say to worry about the details, I said to generally be aware of the options around you. Complacency kills.
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flipmane wrote:


I'm not saying you're wrong; If you're good enough to get out alive or moderately scarred, and are up for it, by all means. If it's someone who sits inside all day, isn't in good shape, and has little to no training, and rarely ever thinks about violence- they will be different.

I didn't say to worry about the details, I said to generally be aware of the options around you. Complacency kills.


True enough, but it's all the more reason to take up training of some kind. You'd be surprised how poorly trained most would be muggers and the like are. A few tricks and being in shape is more then enough to handle most situations you'd find yourself in.
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all martial arts have pros and cons. one is not necessarily better than the other. the problem is if you only practice one style you will have a limited view. (example if you are fighting a boxer you go for thier legs and use kicks) (if your fighting someone that does Karate or Teakwondo you want to get them on the ground and some how stop them from punching or kicking) you want to learn as much as you can and many styles from different disciple and teachers. Martial arts have been developed around the world if your looking to defend your self, you want to have a mix. the problem with many martial arts they will teach you a lot of fallacies ( like if someone attacks you, you block they attack. that doesn't work, the best thing to do is try to get out of the way move and block our counter, a lot of martial arts don't teach you to parry an attacks and get out of the way.) 1st instead of moving out of the way... a lot of what you learn in martial arts is not piratical in a real fight, in a real fight there are no rules. most of the time the fight ends up going on the ground. also a lot of martial arts only focus on one on one. a lot of time when ur in a fight its not going to be 1 on 1. you don't know if the guy is crazy or on drugs. it could be more than one person, its very common for people to attack you in numbers. it might be the guy in front of you behind you and on ur sides. a real fight can also involve weapons like knife and guns... you might get cut. (if someone is tell there is only one way to do something or that you will not get cut in a fight if a knife is involved and teaching you martial arts. run very very far away from this person.) the best thing to do is get away if you can. only fight if you have too. jeet kwon do is a mix of a many martial arts. these are some martial arts to learn that focus on hand to hand combat, if you take bits and parts from each of these it is very effect for self defense. the best weapons you have is your mind and body. you can't always depend on weapon so its important to learn some self defense and practice all the time.

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Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
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How often do you fight Japanese people?
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How often do you fight Japanese people?


I wanted to clock the fuck out of a Japanese business man.

He kicked my bike when I accidentally pulled out in front of him. It launched me off my bike to the pavement. I dusted myself off and rode away. To this day I wish I had the the balls to tackle that asshat to the ground and show him him I will throat punch you. I was such a coward back then....
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My golden rule when selecting a Martial Art style is if its practical in everyday situation. Which is why I chose Muay Thai, I can vouch for myself, its great in street fights.
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My golden rule when selecting a Martial Art style is if its practical in everyday situation. Which is why I chose Muay Thai, I can vouch for myself, its great in street fights.


I have also been doing Muay Thai for 20 years.. don't help me much anymore.. With my bad hip do to head on car crash, I pretty much can not utilize my body like I used to.. damn bolts and plates in my hip holding me together.
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Iv done some wrestling, kickboxing, boxing, karate, and brazillian jiu jitsu.

I can tell you without a doubt some are less effective than others. But are by no means whatsoever useless. Especially those that deal with weapons. The problem with weapon based ones is that they are illegal AF to use regardless of where you are.

Whoever said weapon based martial arts is useless is incredibly ignorant to how dangerous a katana is. Damn thing is practically a 2ft razor when added with someones arm length that can pierce or slice. The weapons design itself is brilliant yet horrifyingly deadly.
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it's great for teaching discipline
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Very useful.

Aside from getting you in decent shape, it will train your mind too. If you have a proper master, they will teach you...mental toughness I'll say, that you previously never had.

In a fist fight, most people aren't trained, so you would win if given proper training and know not to charge first.

In a knife fight, you need a lot more training and understanding that people just want to stab you quickly.

In a gun fight, they can still miss. Be smart. Don't try to catch bullets with your teeth. Can still win, they probably aren't very bright.
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