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Nice video
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but who's gonna right the right
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Yet I feel that if you, the individual, are not a business, such as a freelance wedding photographer, but own a business that cannot discriminate against black customers, than I feel it would be terribly inconsistent to allow them to discriminate against gay customers.


I think this is the central point to that "does a religious baker have to make a cake for the gays" debate. Should businesses be granted the rights of individuals? While you can't force an individual to act in certain ways, businesses do not hold the same rights and can be prevented from discrimination. A person is allowed to be a bigot, but a business is not. Therefore, if an individual does not want to make a rainbow cake that is their right as long as the business provides another avenue for creation of said cake in a non-discriminatory manner. I think there is some grey area with individuals who perform a service but aren't technically a business but I stand on the "No, businesses aren't people" line of this debate.
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He is being reactionary to the reactionary left, not progressives. Most likely as an attempt to undermine the recent movement by the Bernie wing of the Democratic party to gain control of the DNC.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Not being able to, "say what you think without being punished" is the biggest load of horse-shit I've ever heard, it's already the case, look at people that still say slavery should exist, who say women shouldn't have the right to vote, who say gays should be killed, who say "Pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon." They aren't arrested, they aren't (usually) infringed upon by the government.

The difference is when those words go into practice. The little sisters of the poor shouldn't have the right to dictate what another woman does with her body (yes, they were correct in saying that Obamacare couldn't infringe on their religious nonsense about abortion -life begins at conception my ass-, but that shouldn't have mattered to NUNS), the KKK don't get to hang black people any more, Misogynists are arrested if they rape/beat women, BLM is arrested if they attack cops (admittedly they are more likely to be arrested anyway because they are against cops, but whatever). Also, discrimination is still illegal, because it is an act, not words, don't get it twisted. The Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. If you don't like it would you like to go back to the Jim Crow south?

These are facts, these are laws, this is the actual progressive stance.

When was the last time you actually saw a real trigger warning on something that wouldn't actually freak people out? Seriously, could someone show me that? I'm interested in seeing what has the conservative reactionaries so up in arms?

Racism, Bigotry, Homophobia, Islamophobia and Xenophobia are all things that do exist and won't be going away, due to humanities base instinct to devolve into tribalism. So saying that they are just meaningless buzzwords does a disservice to those that are actually affected by such things. That being said, due to freedom of speech, they should only be stopped by the legal system when they reach the point of action and not words.

"Most evil of all things, a white christian male." And you accuse the left of being triggered by everything. Take a look in the mirror and you'll see, suprise, suprise, a snowflake, upset at the fact that white men aren't the sole owners of power in this country anymore. I have never, I mean NEVER ranked minority groups, that's dumb and based almost solely on the speculation of a man who sounds like he never really understood progressives. That being said, there are kooks on my side that do believe that white men should be imprisoned/killed/etc but I tell those people they're being the perfect straw-men for their adversaries, and excommunicate them from my life till they calm the fuck down.

Being a white, formerly christian male myself, I find no issue with giving those that have been historically been oppressed assistance on the way up if they are taking the steps to reach where I am in life, but I'll tear them down just like the rest if they get above me and don't feel like returning the favor. And also, don't be an asshole and misconstrue that to mean I'm giving them special favors, I'll help anyone below me because that's how civilized people act.

This is long and Rubin was spouting generalized misinformation about progressives.
Posted 2/10/17
I voted for Gore and then later Obama'a first run.. but something felt not right what i was seeing was
vets on streets in my neighborhood, crime out of control and on so much more! I can not sit back and list every damn thing that annoy's me so something clicked in me and I felt we needed change I voted for Trump I do not consider myself a right or conservative but
simply saw they had good points and some things i agree with! I posted a video below this moved me there are others but this one got to me.


https://youtu.be/y88rSHtjc-w
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I am neither right nor left. I am up! Far up above the astral plane looking down from afar and not giving two shits about anything political.
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MysteryMiss wrote:

I voted for Gore and then later Obama'a first run.. but something felt not right what i was seeing was
vets on streets in my neighborhood, crime out of control and on so much more! I can not sit back and list every damn thing that annoy's me so something clicked in me and I felt we needed change I voted for Trump I do not consider myself a right or conservative but
simply saw they had good points and some things i agree with! I posted a video below this moved me there are others but this one got to me.


https://youtu.be/y88rSHtjc-w


You don't see that shit on CNN lol. Doesn't fit their narrative.
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Every time I try to write anything meaningful in response to this video, I end up feeling incredibly foolish for getting worked up over this worthless drivel. I'm just going to say, the "Regressive Left" isn't a thing. It's just a straw man he invented for his worthless soapbox speech so he can whine about his inability to identify with "The Left." IDGAF, and you shouldn't either.
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Every time I try to write anything meaningful in response to this video, I end up feeling incredibly foolish for getting worked up over this worthless drivel. I'm just going to say, the "Regressive Left" isn't a thing. It's just a straw man he invented for his worthless soapbox speech so he can whine about his inability to identify with "The Left." IDGAF, and you shouldn't either.

I agree with you, writing my long post really wasn't worth my time, but a lie without refutation can become truth in the minds of those not paying attention.
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Posted 2/10/17

MysticGon wrote:

Let you in on a little secret, I voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and ticked the box for every Democrat on my ballot. I was never a registered Democrat but their platform was better than the Republicans in my view. Now I think differently and it would appear I'm not the only one...

https://youtu.be/hiVQ8vrGA_8

Enjoy.


I have already seen that video it was a good one.
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I voted for Bush 43 for his first term and generally voted republican because that's the thing to do for most of my state. Then he marched troops into Iraq and I lost any good will I had for him. That's around the time I started to really evaluate candidates and what they stand for, and have generally voted democratic ever since. Still don't bother to claim alignment with a single party, the republicans do alot of good in my state (gogo funding college with a stupid tax (lottery)). When voting I'm going to pay more attention to the candidates and not the scurry people on tumbler and 4chan.
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MysticGon wrote:

Let you in on a little secret, I voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and ticked the box for every Democrat on my ballot. I was never a registered Democrat but their platform was better than the Republicans in my view. Now I think differently and it would appear I'm not the only one...


Aren't you the one that was for Sanders? So you left the left and went further left?




So another "Why won't people tolerate my intolerence?" argument with a side of "We like the free market until it affects us"?

I don't recall any spirited defense of the Dixie Chicks from the right side of the spectrum.







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Between Democrats and Republicans, they're both pretty infested by corporate interests. The Democrats have lately gone with a bizarre strategy of attacking "white people", the majority of voters, constantly, so they should probably just die and let the Libertarians or whoever fill the void. You know, a party that's actually about cultural liberalism and perhaps does it properly, which is what OP's video seems to be lamenting.

Republicans, meanwhile, have a chance to reinvent their image if they decide to learn anything from all these political outsiders they're forced to work with right now. Namely, recognizing the importance of maintaining a robust and varied economy at home to encourage a robust and varied population who participate in free markets and cultivate unique skills and thought. To be honest, if Trump's administration doubles down on that, then it pretty much becomes the actual cultural liberalism a lot of folks on the left actually want.

And frankly, if the USA protects and encourages the home markets, safe and legal immigration would be great, just like in the old days.

Guess we'll have to see how the current President progresses, whether or not more Republicans start adopting the good parts of his policies, and whether or not the Democrats complete their self-destruct and move over for a more rational party, or maybe their call to violent uprising will somehow succeed.
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