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Posted 2/10/17 , edited 2/10/17
In your opinion, what is the difference? What do you think?


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1. Is suicide really all that cowardly?

2. Who do we live for?

3. Why are some people willing to die for a stranger?

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Man you must be bored

The answer of what is the difference is so obvious i'm surprised you're even asking what the difference is. Self-sacrifice implies you are in fact allowing yourself to die for a greater cause. Suicide just implies you are killing yourself with no specificity to it. I guess you could say that Self-Sacrifice is suicide but suicide isn't *necessarily self-sacrifice, though even then calling self-sacrifice suicide is really a case by case basis i guess.

1. It is not cowardly at all.

2. For ourselves? And for any reason we put in our head?

3. Because they're...nice people??
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TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

Man you must be bored

The answer of what is the difference is so obvious i'm surprised you're even asking what the difference is. Self-sacrifice implies you are in fact allowing yourself to die for a greater cause. Suicide just implies you are killing yourself with no specificity to it. I guess you could say that Self-Sacrifice is suicide but suicide isn't self-sacrifice, though even then calling self-sacrifice suicide is really a case by case basis i guess.

1. It is not cowardly at all.

2. For ourselves? And for any reason we put in our head?

3. Because they're...nice people??



I'm not that bored. It's a remake of an old and closed thread.

I just want to know what you think the difference is.
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I'm not that bored. It's a remake of an old and closed thread.

I just want to know what you think the difference is.


I am not trying to be rude at all I ... guess I just see this as one of the rare cases where it's not really opinionated it is pretty text book simple to define. No offense intended

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TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:


qualeshia3



I'm not that bored. It's a remake of an old and closed thread.

I just want to know what you think the difference is.


I am not trying to be rude at all I ... guess I just see this as one of the rare cases where it's not really opinionated it is pretty text book simple to define. No offense intended




It's fine.
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Theres also the issue of martyrs, which in some cases would have lived if they had only remained silent, but by speaking and allowing themselves to be executed may have brought more awareness and eventually even rights to speak of what they said/did. I still think that falls under suicide.
Suicide missions may not always be fatal but the person committing the action truly believes that as a result of said action they are going to die, thus it's suicide even though they may think of it as a sacrifice for people or ideals that they care about. Many people say that they would risk their life and/or die for someone, but what does it mean to die for some abstract and ever evolving concept like a nation?
In the end it's left for the survivors to interpret what one's intentions were, and sometimes it is easier calling it a miss guided sacrifice than suicide.
There are a lot of myths about suicide, based on rational thought even though suicidal people are not really in a sane mental state. So even factors like did they update and sign a Will, or just write a few reminders on sticky notes can help indicate motivations.
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Posted 2/11/17 , edited 2/11/17
Suicide is giving up, self-sacrifice is laying your life on the line bravely for the benefit/protection of others.

1. Suicide is an act of desperation. I would never call it cowardly. It's a choice many take when their body/mind can no longer take the pain. They thin there's no other way out. Sometimes they're right, other times they're very very wrong.
2. We live for whomever we choose to live for. Some live for themselves, others live for those who care for them. Neither is a wrong choice.
3. Bravery or stupidity depending on who you live for. If it's a person who truly matters to you then it's worth it. If it's an underdog who needs and deserves help, it's worth it. If it's a Hitler-type it s far far from it.
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3. Bravery or stupidity depending on who you live for. If it's a person who truly matters to you then it's worth it. If it's an underdog who needs and deserves help, it's worth it. If it's a Hitler-type it s far far from it.


Technically Jesus died for Hitler.
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1. WEAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKLINGGGGGGGGGGGGS. I don't like suicide, I will never accept people who choose to die. I know some people like yourself might hate me for this opinion but it's just an opinion.
2. Depends on the person, as for what/who I live for? That's a secret.
3. Empathy I guess, though I don't equate morality with empathy.
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Suicide in general is weakness to me, however, there are some instances where I think it's acceptable. For example, someone dying with "disease x" should have the right to assisted suicide so he/she can die on their own terms rather than deteriorate and die unexpectedly and/or painfully.

Self-sacrifice is risking oneself in order to protect another person(s), their liberties, and/or general well-being. That's what I believe people who join the armed forces do. We are allowed to stay home and live our average lives while someone is risking their life and dying to allow us to continue living how we do.

1. Suicide is cowardly. It's a waste of a life you're only given once, a burden on the people around you, and is simply an escape because you couldn't figure out the answer to your problems.
2. I would say most people live for themselves unless they live in an LDC, then they're living for someone else.
3. Why do our soldiers die for us? I don't know them personally. It's the duty they've accepted. Some people die for strangers because they're trying to earn brownie points for Jeebus.
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Suicide is a pointless waste of life for no benefit to either themselves nor the people who care about them. Self-Sacrifice is the laying of one's life down for a purpose, whether that purpose be the soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save his platoon , or a martyr facing his death to ignite faith in some cause .


1. Is suicide really all that cowardly?
Absolutely, there is no justifable reason to take your own life for a purposeless reason.

2. Who do we live for?
Family, Friends, or in my case faith in your nation and the ideals it espouses. Really any reason to keep living is a good one, no need to overthink it really.

3. Why are some people willing to die for a stranger?
Because nobility, sacrifice, courage , and honour are ideal virtues. And in the ruthless calculus that is life and death situations sometimes one life is worth less then others. If in an act of self sacrifice I can save the lives of my unit , or a mother with children, etc I will gladly die. I have lived a decent enough life. I have loved, laughed, and had everything I need to ensure the happiness of my soul. So I can face the angel of death if the need to do some ruthless calculus pops up.
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Someone who committed suicide needed help. It's all to easy to get wrapped up in a never ending stream of conflicting though and emotions. Literally a paradox that you get trapped in and you just want it to stop. There are other reasons for suicide but this is the one that I think is most dangerous. If you can't relax even in your own head to the point that you simply want it to stop suicide might seem like the only answer (its happened to me before though thankfully I have never gotten to the point of wanting to off myself).

You can live for other people and its cliche to say you should only live for yourself. Ultimately you can live for many people or just yourself. its not a one answer question.

Dying for a stranger or someone else is a bit strange but I think generally there's only two reasons. You die to save someone else because you value there life more than your own or you feel good even knowing you are going to die, saving someone else.
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Self-sacrifice is protecting others at the risk of damage to yourself. It isn't dying to protect someone. There isn't intent to die in self-sacrifice. If there is intent to die, then it is not self-sacrifice.
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ishe5555 wrote:

Self-sacrifice is protecting others at the risk of damage to yourself. It isn't dying to protect someone. There isn't intent to die in self-sacrifice. If there is intent to die, then it is not self-sacrifice.


This right here. I was gonna say this.
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Good comments.
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