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We Are Not Safe
Posted 2/11/17 , edited 2/11/17
I read it as "We are not snails"

We most certainly are not, sir. We most certainly are not.


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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'The left wants Trump to fail so yes they will do whatever it takes to have shit hit the fans, then blame it on Trump wen this leads to attacks on American soil. JUST look at the Numbers of females being raped by the same people the left wish to bring in to America.

Coming to America is not a right! its a privilege earned and no they have not earned the right to come to America! This is a act of war on Americas safety, And if this leads to crime, rape, murder, you watch as they try to blame Trump for it, after they are the ones that stop Trump from preventing it. wen this happens I can only hope that the rest of America stands up against are liberal extremists, and do something about their mess they made!


For once, I'd love to see some evidence for all the claims you make. I won't deny that violence against women (rape, acid attacks, beatings, stoning, etc) is a thing in a lot of Muslim countries but I don't know if you're willingly ignoring the details to be a scare-mongerer or you really don't understand them. I keep hearing Trumpians scream "look at what's happening in Europe!" whenever someone mentions allowing refugees to enter the United States but what's left out is the difference in geography, the number of refugees entering the country, and the lack of screening for any of them. Anyone who believes that the left wants to openly allow anyone to freely enter the US without proper screening is either ignorant or just a hopeless asinine Trumpian. The same kind of imbeciles who kept promoting the redneck apocalypse scenario where the government "wants to take away guns" from Americans instead of sitting down and talking about sensible gun control.


That's not how moral arguments work.
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AlastorCrow wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'The left wants Trump to fail so yes they will do whatever it takes to have shit hit the fans, then blame it on Trump wen this leads to attacks on American soil. JUST look at the Numbers of females being raped by the same people the left wish to bring in to America.

Coming to America is not a right! its a privilege earned and no they have not earned the right to come to America! This is a act of war on Americas safety, And if this leads to crime, rape, murder, you watch as they try to blame Trump for it, after they are the ones that stop Trump from preventing it. wen this happens I can only hope that the rest of America stands up against are liberal extremists, and do something about their mess they made!


For once, I'd love to see some evidence for all the claims you make. I won't deny that violence against women (rape, acid attacks, beatings, stoning, etc) is a thing in a lot of Muslim countries but I don't know if you're willingly ignoring the details to be a scare-mongerer or you really don't understand them. I keep hearing Trumpians scream "look at what's happening in Europe!" whenever someone mentions allowing refugees to enter the United States but what's left out is the difference in geography, the number of refugees entering the country, and the lack of screening for any of them. Anyone who believes that the left wants to openly allow anyone to freely enter the US without proper screening is either ignorant or just a hopeless asinine Trumpian. The same kind of imbeciles who kept promoting the redneck apocalypse scenario where the government "wants to take away guns" from Americans instead of sitting down and talking about sensible gun control.


http://www.infowars.com/report-muslim-migrants-raping-women-children-at-german-refugee-camp/
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/01/07/muslim-male-refugees-are-raping-women-in-europe-n2100918
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/muslim-refugees-are-committing-this-sick-crime-and-getting-away-with-it
http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/muslim-raping-of-women-epidemic-in-refugee-camps/
http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/document-muslim-migrants-raping-women-and-children-in-camp-in-germany.html/
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d


List goes on It a mile long.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'The left wants Trump to fail so yes they will do whatever it takes to have shit hit the fans, then blame it on Trump wen this leads to attacks on American soil. JUST look at the Numbers of females being raped by the same people the left wish to bring in to America.

Coming to America is not a right! its a privilege earned and no they have not earned the right to come to America! This is a act of war on Americas safety, And if this leads to crime, rape, murder, you watch as they try to blame Trump for it, after they are the ones that stop Trump from preventing it. wen this happens I can only hope that the rest of America stands up against are liberal extremists, and do something about their mess they made!


For once, I'd love to see some evidence for all the claims you make. I won't deny that violence against women (rape, acid attacks, beatings, stoning, etc) is a thing in a lot of Muslim countries but I don't know if you're willingly ignoring the details to be a scare-mongerer or you really don't understand them. I keep hearing Trumpians scream "look at what's happening in Europe!" whenever someone mentions allowing refugees to enter the United States but what's left out is the difference in geography, the number of refugees entering the country, and the lack of screening for any of them. Anyone who believes that the left wants to openly allow anyone to freely enter the US without proper screening is either ignorant or just a hopeless asinine Trumpian. The same kind of imbeciles who kept promoting the redneck apocalypse scenario where the government "wants to take away guns" from Americans instead of sitting down and talking about sensible gun control.


http://www.infowars.com/report-muslim-migrants-raping-women-children-at-german-refugee-camp/
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/01/07/muslim-male-refugees-are-raping-women-in-europe-n2100918
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/muslim-refugees-are-committing-this-sick-crime-and-getting-away-with-it
http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/muslim-raping-of-women-epidemic-in-refugee-camps/
http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/document-muslim-migrants-raping-women-and-children-in-camp-in-germany.html/
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d



It's like you only read the first sentence of my post and decided to head straight to your bookmarked pages.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Their is a deference from preventable dangers and natural disasters. We can not prevent a unforeseen singularity from dismantling us . But we can prevent some disasters, like what this circle jerks of 9 are creating.


I do wonder whether the executive order was actually unconstitutional; I'm not inclined to trust the people yelling about it either way, and I'm not a constitutional lawyer.

But I'm talking about probabilities. Considering all the relevant numbers, what's the probability that this travel ban will do anything good - and the probability that it will be detrimental?
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Pretty low either way, really. But as they say, it only takes one.
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This may help. Though amusingly, Vox says The Federalist was also covering for Trump - but the article Beauchamp links to was from 2015, and only says that the Obama administration stopped processing refugees for six months, not that it banned refugees from arrival.
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auroraloose wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'The left wants Trump to fail so yes they will do whatever it takes to have shit hit the fans, then blame it on Trump wen this leads to attacks on American soil. JUST look at the Numbers of females being raped by the same people the left wish to bring in to America.

Coming to America is not a right! its a privilege earned and no they have not earned the right to come to America! This is a act of war on Americas safety, And if this leads to crime, rape, murder, you watch as they try to blame Trump for it, after they are the ones that stop Trump from preventing it. wen this happens I can only hope that the rest of America stands up against are liberal extremists, and do something about their mess they made!


For once, I'd love to see some evidence for all the claims you make. I won't deny that violence against women (rape, acid attacks, beatings, stoning, etc) is a thing in a lot of Muslim countries but I don't know if you're willingly ignoring the details to be a scare-mongerer or you really don't understand them. I keep hearing Trumpians scream "look at what's happening in Europe!" whenever someone mentions allowing refugees to enter the United States but what's left out is the difference in geography, the number of refugees entering the country, and the lack of screening for any of them. Anyone who believes that the left wants to openly allow anyone to freely enter the US without proper screening is either ignorant or just a hopeless asinine Trumpian. The same kind of imbeciles who kept promoting the redneck apocalypse scenario where the government "wants to take away guns" from Americans instead of sitting down and talking about sensible gun control.


That's not how moral arguments work.


It's an interesting case but I'm not sold on the idea of removing borders because you cannot remove real people from the equation. It would be a stronger case if every country in the world had the same set of standards when it came to their worldview. One thing that always irks be about most liberals these days is their tendency to hide in denial about actual issues with the Muslim faith in fear of being labeled a racist. We wish that every Muslim in the world held on to a more secular set of beliefs but they do not. A large majority of Muslims (even in Western countries) believe that homosexuality should be "banned" and that the punishment for apostasy should be upheld, as per recommendations of their "holy text".
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Q: When were we EVER safe?
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Trump is the bigger worry to global safety kek.

He wants to wage a trade war with Australia and ruin the global economy.
Il take this terrorist gang over that.
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auroraloose wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Their is a deference from preventable dangers and natural disasters. We can not prevent a unforeseen singularity from dismantling us . But we can prevent some disasters, like what this circle jerks of 9 are creating.


I do wonder whether the executive order was actually unconstitutional; I'm not inclined to trust the people yelling about it either way, and I'm not a constitutional lawyer.

But I'm talking about probabilities. Considering all the relevant numbers, what's the probability that this travel ban will do anything good - and the probability that it will be detrimental?


' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYOvFi08V0Y It is constitutional by law Trump has the right, just like Obama did wen he did the same thing but two times as long wen he was in office.
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gornotck wrote:

Pretty low either way, really. But as they say, it only takes one.


Well, the ban affects probably several hundred graduate students, postdocs, faculty, etc., at the least. I know multiple Iranian physicists, and I also know how much trouble getting visas causes academics.

You're right that it only takes one. So the appropriate thing to do is to look at the Venn diagram of (i) people covered by the ban that weren't by the previous vetting standards, and (ii) the people who will actually perform some kind of terrorism. You then determine the probable damage resulting from lifting the ban. Next, you look at the effects of the ban on the world-state and determine the damage caused by keeping it in place. You weigh the two, and you choose which will lead to a better world-state for the country. This is a hard thing - but every appraisal that actually bothers to check the numbers seems to say the ban isn't worth it.
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auroraloose wrote:


gornotck wrote:

Pretty low either way, really. But as they say, it only takes one.


Well, the ban affects probably several hundred graduate students, postdocs, faculty, etc., at the least. I know multiple Iranian physicists, and I also know how much trouble getting visas causes academics.

You're right that it only takes one. So the appropriate thing to do is to look at the Venn diagram of (i) people covered by the ban that weren't by the previous vetting standards, and (ii) the people who will actually perform some kind of terrorism. You then determine the probable damage resulting from lifting the ban. Next, you look at the effects of the ban on the world-state and determine the damage caused by keeping it in place. You weigh the two, and you choose which will lead to a better world-state for the country. This is a hard thing - but every appraisal that actually bothers to check the numbers seems to say the ban isn't worth it.


Not really, again. A temporary ban, as it is, on countries we already had concerns about? Questions about the visa and green card processes?
I do not know what "appraisals" you have seen, but it is possible they were looking at a "worth it" vastly different from the actual goals of the ban. Also, your Venn diagram is far too simplistic.
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