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https://www.rt.com/news/377065-canada-murderer-schizophrenic-freed/

Canada's court system let's a man who beheads a random passenger on a bus he was riding to walk free.

I'm against the death penalty but I am for life in prison if you kill someone and it isn't in self defense.
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I am sure as soon as Sarah Palin gets up the she will make everything alright............well as soon as she learn the language
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I think a lot of people should be considerate of life long schizophrenics (Unlike the comments), but if the facts are as they say..."What the hell". I'd argue monitoring is needed for people capable of such violent actions.
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one thing about mental illnesses is even with meds its not uncommon for a person to relapse so releasing the guy is one thing but no surveillance to help prevent him from not taking his meds or insure their working is just dumb. o Canada indeed
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Canada has a long history of dealing with cases such as this where people who committed crimes due to severe mental illness and were released once cured. As far as I am aware there have been no incidents of the recidivism the people in this thread seem so sure is going to happen at any point in that history. What I'm getting at here is that it's probably better to trust the actual experts over the random people on the internet.
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Posted 2/11/17

octorockandroll wrote:

Canada has a long history of dealing with cases such as this where people who committed crimes due to severe mental illness and were released once cured. As far as I am aware there have been no incidents of the recidivism the people in this thread seem so sure is going to happen at any point in that history. What I'm getting at here is that it's probably better to trust the actual experts over the random people on the internet.


Yes, but I'd argue medication patrolling, much like parole, are still good ideas to consider if not ruthlessly implement.
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If his doctors believe he's capable of going back into society then they're the experts here, not politicians or the public. Due to the extremely high-profile nature of this case the doctors have every incentive to be diligent, because if Li/Baker goes nuts and kills again then their asses are grass. Unless another medical expert can show his doctors aren't doing this right then I'm quite content to sit back and let the system do its job without it being hijacked by politics.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Canada has a long history of dealing with cases such as this where people who committed crimes due to severe mental illness and were released once cured. As far as I am aware there have been no incidents of the recidivism the people in this thread seem so sure is going to happen at any point in that history. What I'm getting at here is that it's probably better to trust the actual experts over the random people on the internet.


Yes, but I'd argue medication patrolling, much like parole, are still good ideas to consider if not ruthlessly implement.


He has been on this parole you suggest for several years now. The thing about parole is it ends, thats not a problem and neither is this.
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Posted 2/11/17 , edited 2/11/17
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mentally-ill-man-killed-mum-7541363

Thought I'd leave this article here for people who say that you could never happen.
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Posted 2/11/17 , edited 2/11/17

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mentally-ill-man-killed-mum-7541363

Thought I'd leave this article here for people who say that you could never happen.


I think Octo is saying the act of repeat offenders is low, despite the apparent lackluster treatment, so to speak.
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Posted 2/11/17

octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Canada has a long history of dealing with cases such as this where people who committed crimes due to severe mental illness and were released once cured. As far as I am aware there have been no incidents of the recidivism the people in this thread seem so sure is going to happen at any point in that history. What I'm getting at here is that it's probably better to trust the actual experts over the random people on the internet.


Yes, but I'd argue medication patrolling, much like parole, are still good ideas to consider if not ruthlessly implement.


He has been on this parole you suggest for several years now. The thing about parole is it ends, thats not a problem and neither is this.


I guess you are right. I am not too fond of restrictions, but I do not see why they should end, when such a violent crime happened (Not all Schizos are capable of such a thing) to the amount of wrangling that would reasonably come of getting off the pill legitimately, which makes it all the more sensible to keep in touch. Then again, I am not too familiar with this area.
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I think this can bring up another issue I present, that being that the victim's family should have little to NO say over the penalty, other than closing words. This is what really pisses me off in the article. Yes, I know he decapitated your family, but honestly, what bull is your opinion worth on the mental treatment and punishment?

This sort of thing preludes legal vigilantism.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I think this can bring up another issue I present, that being that the victim's family should have little to NO say over the penalty, other than closing words. This is what really pisses me off in the article. Yes, I know he decapitated your family, but honestly, what bull is your opinion worth on the mental treatment and punishment?

This sort of thing preludes legal vigilantism.


I absolutely agree. This attitude is not acceptable and frightening. I've seen it be propagated far too much in a short amount of time to be comfortable with it and have already had to report one man to the police myself for threatening to murder Li. That's way scarier than a now cured sick man being allowed to have a life.
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If his doctors believe he's capable of going back into society then they're the experts here


Pretty much this. The criminal justice system's job is to get rehabilitated people back on the street and that is no different for people who have medical issues such as this. We shouldn't be appalled that this guy is being released, we should be glad that the system believes that he is rehabilitated.
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Posted 2/11/17 , edited 2/11/17

sundin13 wrote:

Pretty much this. The criminal justice system's job is to get rehabilitated people back on the street and that is no different for people who have medical issues such as this. We shouldn't be appalled that this guy is being released, we should be glad that the system believes that he is rehabilitated.


I have nothing to add. Nice.


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