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Posted 2/11/17 , edited 2/11/17
Will I watch it? No.
Will I boycott? Na
Will I judge those who boycott? Nope.

No idea why people care so much though. I mean if you don't want to watch a movie there are thousands of others to choose from. I could understand if Netflix was censoring/banning one political viewpoint's videos/tv shows over another's, but what are they supposed to do police content to ensure it is in alignment with tens of millions of peoples individual beliefs? Give me a break.
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The trailer was pretty bad. Really misses the points the series is trying to make. Granted its not my thing, they could have maybe tackled the topic better or introduced it in a more comedic fashion.
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It´s a satirical comedy, so yeah ignorant people are just getting butthurt over the title.
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You're right. The Right should have done more research and gotten all the facts before getting upset. Just like the Left did for the Ferguson Protests and the Chic-fil-a Boycott.
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This strikes me as an attempt to set up a kafka trap. We use numbers in society to engage importance of events every day. Numbers in this case make the most sense, and I will demonstrate that for you.

Let's say a racist incident happens everyday of the year. It's a single incident a day by a unique individual each day for a total of 365 people (and events). Clearly, I imagine the greater black populace would be happy with only 365 race driven events a year - but you could muddy them saying we haven't gone a day without a race related incident.

This is a mirror of the logic you're using.

Which is more important, the quantity of the events or the time between them? Answer that one seriously, and don't use weasel words or dodge. Simple answer.

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Yes, and people get their dicks stuck in pool suction filters - we don't need a PSA on why it's bad to stick it in these because a handful of idiots do this do we? My argument is people do a lot of stupid things daily, but by the numbers we can tell whether it's actually worth addressing at large.

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It really isn't. Let's say 100 people do it a year in the US (and I'd guess that's overestimating a lot) that's what, 0.00004899655% of the white population in the US?

To call this an "issue" is to relate back to my earlier example - if this is an issue then dicks getting stuck in things is a fucking epidemic. This is not the example to throw yourself on the sword for.
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I'd argue it's easier to use for the opposite: because it's largely a non-issue and that most intrinsically understand that there's an issue with it - that's why there is effectively no moral ambiguity. If it was an issue of larger proportion and more vague moral grounds it wouldn't be such an easy target would it?

I'd argue this is quite close to proving my point for me.


There's a hundred different smaller everyday incidents that could be considered important than blackface in scale of how it affects people. That doesn't make blackface less of a contemporary issue. Because being a contemporary issue is a really low bar, all it means is that it still happens. And similar to someone getting his dick stuck in a pool filter, it's attention getting and sets expectations for certain person(s) to be considered idiots for that action. Not every action in a show is a public PSA or has to be representative for large swaths of people.

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The movie was about things that white people do on a college campus and it was also about trying to understand a different culture. I for one have experienced several things that are relatable in that movie. I hate when people bring up the WET argument because at the end of the day there are shows out there where the most black people you will see is someone in the background or they will have their token black person. BET was started by a white man to promote black excellence in acting and music. There wasn't a lot of Olivia Popes and Annalise Keatings before now.

Also, no black person is promoting white slavery. I don't want a white person or really anyone other race as my slave but you are very inaccurate when it comes to black people are protected by the law. People are getting upset about this movie because of its tightly. Just like people got upset over BLM because it had black in it. When really they could've done better by the trailer but this is more geared to giving a slight understanding. If you feel uncomfortable watching it then maybe becauses you know it happens or you commit the acts. That's my soapbox
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qwueri wrote:


zinjashike wrote:

This strikes me as an attempt to set up a kafka trap. We use numbers in society to engage importance of events every day. Numbers in this case make the most sense, and I will demonstrate that for you.

Let's say a racist incident happens everyday of the year. It's a single incident a day by a unique individual each day for a total of 365 people (and events). Clearly, I imagine the greater black populace would be happy with only 365 race driven events a year - but you could muddy them saying we haven't gone a day without a race related incident.

This is a mirror of the logic you're using.

Which is more important, the quantity of the events or the time between them? Answer that one seriously, and don't use weasel words or dodge. Simple answer.

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Yes, and people get their dicks stuck in pool suction filters - we don't need a PSA on why it's bad to stick it in these because a handful of idiots do this do we? My argument is people do a lot of stupid things daily, but by the numbers we can tell whether it's actually worth addressing at large.

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It really isn't. Let's say 100 people do it a year in the US (and I'd guess that's overestimating a lot) that's what, 0.00004899655% of the white population in the US?

To call this an "issue" is to relate back to my earlier example - if this is an issue then dicks getting stuck in things is a fucking epidemic. This is not the example to throw yourself on the sword for.
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I'd argue it's easier to use for the opposite: because it's largely a non-issue and that most intrinsically understand that there's an issue with it - that's why there is effectively no moral ambiguity. If it was an issue of larger proportion and more vague moral grounds it wouldn't be such an easy target would it?

I'd argue this is quite close to proving my point for me.


There's a hundred different smaller everyday incidents that could be considered important than blackface in scale of how it affects people. That doesn't make blackface less of a contemporary issue. Because being a contemporary issue is a really low bar, all it means is that it still happens. And similar to someone getting his dick stuck in a pool filter, it's attention getting and sets expectations for certain person(s) to be considered idiots for that action. Not every action in a show is a public PSA or has to be representative for large swaths of people.



Like how you dodged my questions and points and basically admitted it's really a non-issue today in scope of events. Have a good day.
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Posted 2/12/17 , edited 2/13/17

zinjashike wrote:

Like how you dodged my questions and points and basically admitted it's really a non-issue today in scope of events. Have a good day.


I like how you tried to define the questions to dismiss something that was probably intended to be absurd within the show. You have a good day as well.
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qwueri wrote:


zinjashike wrote:

Like how you dodged my questions and points and basically admitted it's really a non-issue today in scope of events. Have a good day.


I like how you tried to define the questions to dismiss something that was probably intended to be absurd within the show. You have a good day as well.


I like how you defer back to the show when our conversation had clearly gone beyond it and you had been asserting a personal view all throughout.

Equally, I already noted my thoughts on its relation to the show:


zinjashike wrote:

We'll see, satirizing largely depends on context, message, and delivery. Anytime hyperbole is used I have to question whether the message is ultimately weak and requires a large degree of juxtaposition to seem reasonable.



zinjashike wrote:
I'd argue it's easier to use for the opposite: because it's largely a non-issue and that most intrinsically understand that there's an issue with it - that's why there is effectively no moral ambiguity. If it was an issue of larger proportion and more vague moral grounds it wouldn't be such an easy target would it?

I'd argue this is quite close to proving my point for me.


Effectively, this is low hanging fruit at best and quite likely hyperbolic tripe making it pretty weak for satire IMO.


Also going back and reading the thread, you honestly thought the Ghostbusters 2016 boycott was due to sexism? Top kek mate'.
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I remember when being white meant we didn't have to worry about racial politics. What happened?
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wow this movie was so old
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I remember when being white meant we didn't have to worry about racial politics. What happened?
Race is not an issue anymore, you have a white man as a president.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

I remember when being white meant we didn't have to worry about racial politics. What happened?
Race is not an issue anymore, you have a white man as a president.


wrong!!! he is clearly orange
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I never really agreed with the practice of boycotting. Seems like some lefties were all herp derp, let's boycott everything, and the righties decided they should boycott everything back in revenge, and then the economy imploded. Or rather, nothing happened because the people calling for boycotts probably have no money and never buy anything anyway.

Anyway, looking at Dear White People, it seems the plot is that whites are mean to blacks till the blacks get mad and go beat them up at a party. Same sort of hate jews get, representing them as greedy, heartless, and in need of being taken down a peg. Depressing.
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Tried to watch it today but it's not out yet. Racism is still alive and well and it's about time someone tackled the subject in a mainstream way.
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The fact is if there was a show called Dear Black People the blacks and all the liberals would call for action and would boycott and force them to stop it but because its ok for it to bash white people... its the same with BET if you had a WET there would be a boycott and the station would be removed.. its getting old with all the white bashing and the government has laws protecting blacks.. and forcing white people to hire blacks but nothing saying that blacks have to hire whites so the government has taken sides and now we have Trump as a result. This racism exist on the side of the blacks far more than whites these days but the media wants to make it seems like blacks are always the victim but that is bullshit... I'm tired of this discrimination against white people and all the whites have to tip toe around black people's feelings etc.. or we can be sued.. the whole system has failed the people. Blacks today aren't going to be happy until every white person is their slaves and i'll start killing people before that happens.


That's not how those laws work. If someone was hiring noticably fewer white people then the demographic percentage, they would be breaking the same laws.

"Blacks today aren't going to be happy until every white person is their slaves and i'll start killing people before that happens."

Can we keep this ridiculous hyperbole out of it? Also the murder talk.


No that is how the laws are if i tried to sue a black owned business for not hiring me over a black person and I'm more qualified that would just be my tough luck any case I tried to start against them would be dropped.. and I was just saying that if the world became like that which is an extreme I would die fighting before i would become a slave.. and YES some blacks aren't going to be happy until whites are slaves meaning they are never going to be happy because those blacks are filled with extreme hatred. Some whites have that extreme hatred.. but I'm tired of feeling like just because I'm a white male I'm supposed to kiss everyone's ass... and yes if this show was reversed they would take it off the air just on the fact of the title.. and i know this is true and anyone else out there that is living in reality would agree with me on that note.. because I see it all the time Scholarships if you have a private one that lets say is in memory of some family member and you give $1500 a year to someone if you pick whites for more than two years in a row they will ask you to pick a black person if you refuse they will not accept your scholarship at that school. I've seen this happen numerous times... I have many more examples but It just pisses me off thinking about them.
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