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Animators replaced by automation?

This is disturbing to me / like music I rather hear a real band instead of synths/ music sampling / drum tracks etc!

We put up with CGI now but this wiil be create just so much sameness IMO !

BTW if this does or ever happens Services like CR / FUNI / TAN / Netflix / Amazon should charge like a $1.00 a month.

Oh the animators already get paid poorly

CD's should only cost no more than $10..00

And if this happens are VA's in danger too!

And this what is wrong with the world today / too much automation / too many people Leave the arts alone!

Animation should then be called automation / what a cheapening of a craft!

So what do you think / I put my thoughts down and the story I am just one view of this


AT-X President: AI May Replace Humans in Anime Production ANN NEWS

Keisuke Iwata, president of Japan's anime television network AT-X, spoke at Tokyo's Digital Hollywood University last Thursday about a possible transition to using artificial intelligence (AI) in anime. With decades of experience in the industry, Iwata said, "It is fully conceivable that anime production processes may be completely replaced by AI."

Iwata has served as a producer for many hit anime such as Pokémon, Prince of Tennis, and Shaman King. He joined the AT-X parent company TV Tokyo in 1979 when it was known as Tokyo Channel 12.

The network president said he believes there is a possibility that AI could replace manual anime production. Human creativity is traditionally seen as key for many processes used to make anime. However, advances in AI technology could change the outlook for future production. Deep learning, a branch of machine learning based on algorithms that model abstract data, is one technique that AI can use to produce detailed work that seems to be the result of human labor.

Last year, several companies such as Microsoft and the Dutch bank ING collaborated on The Next Rembrandt AI project. AI analyzed Rembrandt's 346 paintings to produce artwork (pictured left) in the 17th-century painter's style.

In the future, similar technology might be used to analyze Hideaki Anno's Neon Genesis Evangelion, Shin Godzilla, and other works, for example. AI could then create a perfect "Anno-style" imitation of his art. Iwata believes that AI may come to compete with humans in the realm of creativity.

He said, "AI is already starting to encroach on the area of creation. It seems AI will be able to support things like character design, storyboards, art design, backgrounds, sound production, and color setting. Unlike AI, humans have a 'function that can forget' and can continue to evolve with use of the brain. If [you] continue to discipline your brain, you should be able to demonstrate creativity (that won't lose to AI)."

Iwata had predicted in 2009 that "the global marketplace for Japanese animation will shrink from 2010 onward." Whether or not his prediction is proving true, the anime market is evolving. Current conditions for people working in the industry will continue to play a role in that process.

The anime industry often comes under fire for low wages, poor working conditions, and work hours beyond legal limits for animators. The Japan Animation Creators Association (JAniCA) published a report in 2015 that stated animators earned US$28,000 on average in Japan in 2013. The study also reported that entry-level animators earned US$9,200 per year in Japan. If work conditions remain unsatisfactory for Japanese animators, AI could replace jobs to get around the anime industry's apparent inability to provide for human workers.

On the other hand, Studio Ghibli co-founder Hayao Miyazaki described a certain CG animation produced by AI last year as "an insult to life itself." Miyazaki appeared in a special on November 13 about his upcoming CG animation film Kemushi no Boro. In the television special, a CGI team at Dwango Artificial Intelligence Laboratory gave a presentation about an experiment with an animation program that learns via AI. A human model was used, and the program learned to make it move forward at a more rapid rate while ignoring concepts like 'pain.' People like Miyazaki might consider the result an unsettling, zombie-like creature. With Miyazaki no longer producing feature-length anime, it remains to be seen how the industry will respond to his views in the near future.


http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-02-16/at-x-president-ai-may-replace-humans-in-anime-production/.112255
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Hmm, wonder what a anime made by AI would be like. If it used machine learning, it would probably be filled with the top 10 tropes or something.
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Good i hope this happens and ill push for full automation via ai etc.

If an AI can do better then a human it would be stupid to let a human do it.
doesn't cheapen it if anything it makes it more rich.

there is a reason AI is to be humans last creation.
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I've seen similar predictions about music creation and art (not as many for live action movies yet). Remains to be seen if they will come true anytime soon but AI is constantly advancing. I personally think within 20 years there will be automation and AI advancement to the point where it effectively forces some large societal changes (hopefully for the better and not into chaos). Whole industries could end up automating at a far more rapid pace than we saw in the past with the industrial revolution and it will become impossible to find new jobs for all the workers displaced quickly enough.
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HibachiSniper wrote:

I've seen similar predictions about music creation and art (not as many for live action movies yet). Remains to be seen if they will come true anytime soon but AI is constantly advancing. I personally think within 20 years there will be automation and AI advancement to the point where it effectively forces some large societal changes (hopefully for the better and not into chaos). Whole industries could end up automating at a far more rapid pace than we saw in the past with the industrial revolution and it will become impossible to find new jobs for all the workers displaced quickly enough.


Chaos will probably happen but will be needed.
Finding new jobs might not be an issue since we might need to rethink the idea of people having jobs in the first place if AI gets that advanced.
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Nobody creates anything anymore.
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Animation will lose its' soul and become uniformly boring.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Finding new jobs might not be an issue since we might need to rethink the idea of people having jobs in the first place if AI gets that advanced.


I think it will come to that as well but I expect there will be a lot of complications and denial until we reach the point that something has to be done and society is caught mostly or completely unprepared.

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Wihl wrote:

Animation will lose its' soul and become uniformly boring.



No it won't it will be just as unique and entertaining as it is now
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i remember a group of animators tried to show Miyazaki on their animation project involving a self-animated thing.
it didn't go too well.
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That would be sad. One of those things that may be "better" on paper but would lose the important human touch.
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I wouldn't listen to any businessperson's opinion on what technology will be possible five years from now. They simply don't have the technical background to be able to know what's really within reach. This comic is incredibly relevant: https://xkcd.com/1425/

What I could definitely see is computers taking over in-betweening. That's a plausible problem for a pattern-recognition algorithm. Every stage of the animation process? No way. A key animator's job is to translate some very basic sketches in a storyboard and an natural-language description of a scene into animation, and natural language processing is notoriously difficult. Give Google Translate a spin and you can see how laughably bad the state-of-the-art is at just translating one language to another. Trying to visually express something based on a natural language description? That's so far out of the bounds of possibility it's impossible to guess when it might be possible.

I think that one of the misconceptions that the general public has about "AI research" is that they're producing computers that actually think. They see things like, "wow, a computer just beat the world's best Go/Chess player, they've really made that computer smart". That's not at all what's happening. These machines cannot adapt. If you tried to play Deep Blue (IBM's old chess playing system) at Tic Tac Toe, it wouldn't even be able to play. A person would have to program the system to do it. These systems cannot learn to do new things and they cannot adapt. I'm not saying that systems like this are useless but they are not flexible. Creative work requires an awful lot of flexibility.
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Don't forget the rotoscoping of anime settings, which is only take a photo and then straight to the anime.

Lawyers have stated that Animators on Japan in particular should have a Labor Union which they lack because in their culture everything the superiors says it is.

For the business man perspective it is ok in order to reduce production cost, but in the end there is less art on it and it become more dull and less attractive in comparison to older anime. I have witness errors in anime due to lack of supervision of CGI in it. fewer staff and more merges is not the right now answer as Kadokawa states it.
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noticemesensei wrote:

That would be sad. One of those things that may be "better" on paper but would lose the important human touch.


Any "Human touch" can be replicated.
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i remember a group of animators tried to show Miyazaki on their animation project involving a self-animated thing.
it didn't go too well.


Yeah but to be fair as good as Miyazaki is he is a total douchebag alot of the time.
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