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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

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I wouldn't blame anyone but Pewds himself. I believe he said he did this to get a negative reaction and he got it, simple as that.


I would blame Felix to an extent, considering someone out there would likely be upset, and Disney is just being Disney, but this mobocracy and news tailoring to a specific mindset may not border illegal, but for me, does border on unethical.

This DIY vigilantism from the comforts of ones home pisses me off.

In any case, this seems more like cause and result than the bearing of responsibility for you reap what you sow, in that this is disproportionate retribution that borders on the sort of cyber bullying we take on at schools.
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I would blame Felix to an extent, considering someone out there would likely be upset, and Disney is just being Disney, but this mobocracy and news tailoring to a specific mindset may not border illegal, but for me, does border on unethical.

This DIY vigilantism from the comforts of ones home pisses me off.


There is no vigilantism in having a negative reaction to something, especially something like a man paying people to hold up a sign that read "Death to all Jews" like what the fuck do you think is going to happen if you do that? As far as I can tell there hasn't been any meaningful push to punish Pewdipie for his "jokes" (being really generous calling them that) nobody seems to be trying to take his channel off youtube or making a big push to have others unsub from him. People are just reacting negatively to nazism. Quite frankly I'd be more worried if that wasn't the result of this.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

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From what I can see all wsj did was point out publicly available and pertinent information. Are we gonna sue journalists for actually doing their jobs now?


You know that wasn't journalism in any form of the word as they edited his videos to make it look like he had opinions he didn't have. All they did was produce something that would bring in clicks and money/subscribers at his cost, that's down right slander. Go watch H3H3''s video about it


"Journalism: the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast."

Wrong, what happened is entirely within the definition of journalism. And by the way, using h3h3 to back you up doesn't inspire much confidence from me or most others.


I don't particularly enjoy pewdiepie's content. But this is nothing other then slander. And I'm no moron, I know what journalists is. If you watch his very own videos and see what really happened then you'll see clear as day what they did was take him out of context and therefore nothing other then slander. Oh and h3h3 isn't the only one who has made a video about what really happened, if that's what you think.

Here we go, the original goal of his video was to show how far people are willing to go for money in today's world and him wearing a SS suit was to make fun of those who think he is a racist. But all him wearing that did was give ammunition for mainstream news to label him as a racist
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I know that companies have the right to choose who they conduct business with or without and that a business doesn't have to host a service for someone to use as a free speech platform if they don't agree with their views regarding certain topics. But what's your point?

Oh and free speech is about having the right to say anything without being censored and if that means you impose someone's beliefs then so be it. But when imposing someones opinion you open yourself up to getting your views challenged by people of other opinions.

"I may disagree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall


I'm curious what your point is, because 'hey that's wrong' and 'you should really shut up' are as much free speech as a joke. How did Pewdipie's free speech get infringed?
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octorockandroll wrote:

"Journalism: the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast."

Wrong, what happened is entirely within the definition of journalism. And by the way, using h3h3 to back you up doesn't inspire much confidence from me or most others.


I don't particularly enjoy pewdiepie's content. But this is nothing other then slander. And I'm no moron, I know what journalists is. If you watch his very own videos and see what really happened then you'll see clear as day what they did was take him out of context and therefore nothing other then slander. Oh and h3h3 isn't the only one who has made a video about what really happened, if that's what you think.

Here we go, the original goal of his video was to show how far people are willing to go for money in today's world and him wearing a SS suit was to make fun of those who think he is a racist. But all him wearing that did was give ammunition for mainstream news to label him as a racist


So the plan was to dress and act like a racist... to invalidate people calling him a racist...

This is supposed to make the wsj look bad how exactly?
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I would blame Felix to an extent, considering someone out there would likely be upset, and Disney is just being Disney, but this mobocracy and news tailoring to a specific mindset may not border illegal, but for me, does border on unethical.

This DIY vigilantism from the comforts of ones home pisses me off.


There is no vigilantism in having a negative reaction to something, especially something like a man paying people to hold up a sign that read "Death to all Jews" like what the fuck do you think is going to happen if you do that? As far as I can tell there hasn't been any meaningful push to punish Pewdipie for his "jokes" (being really generous calling them that) nobody seems to be trying to take his channel off youtube or making a big push to have others unsub from him. People are just reacting negatively to nazism. Quite frankly I'd be more worried if that wasn't the result of this.


I think that there is a sort of vigilantism going, more than just the physical, illegal act of being batman, but a wide array of methods, many of which can be unethical, from Doxxing to downright hacking for a perceived ethical end, or in this case, a huge defamation campaign on faulty evidence, a sort of public suicide. You are proposing that this is a bound to be some outcry, but this calling him an anti-semite is not supported by fact, or his own videos, yet it happens anyway. I do not disagree that some awareness of racism is good, but you are essentially willing to throw him to the wolves, who may or may not be successful at tearing him up. This is not a reaction to nazism as much as a reaction to a comedic joke, that given the context of the video, would seem rather obvious.

I mean, let me explain the Death To All Jews Joke. It was followed by the punchline "Subscribe to Keemstar", who more or less is joked about him for being anti semetic. This is not the first time the Keemstar has been referenced or possibly decried as racist, but the joke, given any savvy youtuber, will make sense considering his satirical content.

In any case, I find this very out of proportionate, and think people should grow a spine and some skin. No, Pewdiepie cannot be confirmed racist given those videos, there is a backlash of more than just Disney backing out, and we have a genocide in Myanmar.

This defamation campaign is not validated by the facts.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

octorockandroll wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

"Journalism: the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast."

Wrong, what happened is entirely within the definition of journalism. And by the way, using h3h3 to back you up doesn't inspire much confidence from me or most others.


I don't particularly enjoy pewdiepie's content. But this is nothing other then slander. And I'm no moron, I know what journalists is. If you watch his very own videos and see what really happened then you'll see clear as day what they did was take him out of context and therefore nothing other then slander. Oh and h3h3 isn't the only one who has made a video about what really happened, if that's what you think.

Here we go, the original goal of his video was to show how far people are willing to go for money in today's world and him wearing a SS suit was to make fun of those who think he is a racist. But all him wearing that did was give ammunition for mainstream news to label him as a racist


So the plan was to dress and act like a racist... to invalidate people calling him a racist...

This is supposed to make the wsj look bad how exactly?


It was a satirized take of them accusing him of anti-semetism, almost in a baiting maneuver asking them to misinterpret the video, as well as others to do so.

I would say it worked, and we are all fucked, because they certainly did.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

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octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I would blame Felix to an extent, considering someone out there would likely be upset, and Disney is just being Disney, but this mobocracy and news tailoring to a specific mindset may not border illegal, but for me, does border on unethical.

This DIY vigilantism from the comforts of ones home pisses me off.


There is no vigilantism in having a negative reaction to something, especially something like a man paying people to hold up a sign that read "Death to all Jews" like what the fuck do you think is going to happen if you do that? As far as I can tell there hasn't been any meaningful push to punish Pewdipie for his "jokes" (being really generous calling them that) nobody seems to be trying to take his channel off youtube or making a big push to have others unsub from him. People are just reacting negatively to nazism. Quite frankly I'd be more worried if that wasn't the result of this.


I think that there is a sort of vigilantism going, more than just the physical, illegal act of being batman, but a wide array of methods, many of which can be unethical, from Doxxing to downright hacking for a perceived ethical end. You are proposing that this is a bound to be some outcry, but this calling him an anti-semite is not supported by fact, or his own videos, yet it happens anyway. I do not disagree that some awareness of racism is good, but you are essentially willing to throw him to the wolves, who may or may not be successful at tearing him up. This is not a reaction to nazism as much as a reaction to a comedic joke, that given the context of the video, would seem rather obvious.

I mean, let me explain the Death To All Jews Joke. It was followed by the punchline "Subscribe to Keemstar", who more or less is joked about him for being anti semetic. This is not the first time the Keemstar has been referenced or possibly decried as racist, but the joke, given any savvy youtuber, will make sense considering his satirical content.

In any case, I find this very out of proportionate, and think people should grow a spine and some skin. No, Pewdiepie cannot be confirmed racist given those videos, there is a backlash of more than just Disney backing out, and we have a genocide in Myanmar.


See here's where I lose you, it's where you call what Felix is doing "comedic" and "a joke". Now what makes you laugh is subjective, that is true, but what is and is not a joke or comedy is not. Acting and dressing like a nazi isn't a joke, it's just acting and dressing like a nazi. I'd elaborate more on it, but I think that's really all that needs to be said. And again, I don't really see any backlash aside from people deriding his worthless attempts at humour (hardly something new) and him losing contracts. That's not that big a deal.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

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octorockandroll wrote:
So the plan was to dress and act like a racist... to invalidate people calling him a racist...

This is supposed to make the wsj look bad how exactly?


It was a satirized take of them accusing him of anti-semetism, almost in a baiting maneuver asking them to misinterpret the video, as well as others to do so.

I would say it worked, and we are all fucked, because they certainly did.


That's not satire that's just childish baiting. And if the wsj acting like they did was something he wanted them to do, well that answers whether or not he should be able to sue them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4
let me get this...

>pew die pie makes a video mocking people who'd do anything for 5 bucks, in an apparent joke video
>WSJ uses the video as click-bait for his news, cherry picking portions of the video and removing the context altogether
>people who already hate him or want to rage about something sees the click bait title and already have a deep and profound opinion over an unwatched video
>Disney and Youtube are pressured to cut ties with him
>pew die pie is forever remembered as anti-Semite over a joke gone horribly wrong.

maybe WSJ is becoming part of what's known as "fake news".



Scarborough criticizes headlines in Wall Street Journal
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“It’s an extraordinarily thin story,” Scarborough, a former GOP congressman, said of the Journal’s front-page story.
“A story that is thinly sourced, and even their thin sources say, ‘Well, at the end of the day, we really don’t have anything here,’”
- MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/319830-scarborough-criticizes-headlines-in-wall-street-journal
said on a completely unrelated issue, but seems to apply here as well. WSJ is now riding on "extraordinarily thin story,” through sensational click-bait titles. it just so happens that the receiving end happened to be Felix.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I would blame Felix to an extent, considering someone out there would likely be upset, and Disney is just being Disney, but this mobocracy and news tailoring to a specific mindset may not border illegal, but for me, does border on unethical.

This DIY vigilantism from the comforts of ones home pisses me off.


There is no vigilantism in having a negative reaction to something, especially something like a man paying people to hold up a sign that read "Death to all Jews" like what the fuck do you think is going to happen if you do that? As far as I can tell there hasn't been any meaningful push to punish Pewdipie for his "jokes" (being really generous calling them that) nobody seems to be trying to take his channel off youtube or making a big push to have others unsub from him. People are just reacting negatively to nazism. Quite frankly I'd be more worried if that wasn't the result of this.


I think that there is a sort of vigilantism going, more than just the physical, illegal act of being batman, but a wide array of methods, many of which can be unethical, from Doxxing to downright hacking for a perceived ethical end. You are proposing that this is a bound to be some outcry, but this calling him an anti-semite is not supported by fact, or his own videos, yet it happens anyway. I do not disagree that some awareness of racism is good, but you are essentially willing to throw him to the wolves, who may or may not be successful at tearing him up. This is not a reaction to nazism as much as a reaction to a comedic joke, that given the context of the video, would seem rather obvious.

I mean, let me explain the Death To All Jews Joke. It was followed by the punchline "Subscribe to Keemstar", who more or less is joked about him for being anti semetic. This is not the first time the Keemstar has been referenced or possibly decried as racist, but the joke, given any savvy youtuber, will make sense considering his satirical content.

In any case, I find this very out of proportionate, and think people should grow a spine and some skin. No, Pewdiepie cannot be confirmed racist given those videos, there is a backlash of more than just Disney backing out, and we have a genocide in Myanmar.


See here's where I lose you, it's where you call what Felix is doing "comedic" and "a joke". Now what makes you laugh is subjective, that is true, but what is and is not a joke or comedy is not. Acting and dressing like a nazi isn't a joke, it's just acting and dressing like a nazi. I'd elaborate more on it, but I think that's really all that needs to be said. And again, I don't really see any backlash aside from people deriding his worthless attempts at humour (hardly something new) and him losing contracts. That's not that big a deal.


Uh, yes. I explained both jokes, I have seen both videos. What else can I do? Not laughing at someone does not invalidate the joke as a joke, but the intent of the person saying it is pretty key. As for understanding it, there has to be context in order for it to be understood as not a declaration of racially discriminatory views. You are correct, but I believe Pewdiepie has made it clear.

This is where I fully disagree with you.


Acting and dressing like a nazi isn't a joke, it's just acting and dressing like a nazi. I'd elaborate more on it, but I think that's really all that needs to be said.


I am not quite sure of the logic. It is an oversimplication of what can be done in the name of humor. I mean, Charlie Chaplin dressed as a Nazi in "The Great Dictator", though given the film, I believe it is fully correct to be called a comedy.

Keyword, Chaplin was acting, and so was Pewdiepie.

Though I think we can agree on one thing. Context is everything. If you don't think Pewdiepie did not provide enough context, I disagree, but that is cool. I believe he did, but yes, that is also cool. I see your confusion.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

octorockandroll wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

"Journalism: the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast."

Wrong, what happened is entirely within the definition of journalism. And by the way, using h3h3 to back you up doesn't inspire much confidence from me or most others.


I don't particularly enjoy pewdiepie's content. But this is nothing other then slander. And I'm no moron, I know what journalists is. If you watch his very own videos and see what really happened then you'll see clear as day what they did was take him out of context and therefore nothing other then slander. Oh and h3h3 isn't the only one who has made a video about what really happened, if that's what you think.

Here we go, the original goal of his video was to show how far people are willing to go for money in today's world and him wearing a SS suit was to make fun of those who think he is a racist. But all him wearing that did was give ammunition for mainstream news to label him as a racist


So the plan was to dress and act like a racist... to invalidate people calling him a racist...

This is supposed to make the wsj look bad how exactly?


No not really. like I said the original goal of his videos was to show how far people are willing to go for a bit of money. So he payed people to make videos saying things like "hitler did nothing wrong" and along the lines to prove his point that people are willing to do anything for money. Which yes really is the wrong way to show how money controls the world and people and that led to backlash by some people who started calling him a nazi and such. Then yea he made that other video wearing a SS suit behaving like a rasict to invalidate people calling him a racist.

But regardless they did take him way out of context in that video they made that made him look like a literal nazi. So wsj pretty much slandered him, so their in the wrong here. Does that mean what Felix/pewdiepie did was right? Fuck no, what he did was wrong as there's way better ways to show how greedy people are and how much money influences peoples actions
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

octorockandroll wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:
So the plan was to dress and act like a racist... to invalidate people calling him a racist...

This is supposed to make the wsj look bad how exactly?


It was a satirized take of them accusing him of anti-semetism, almost in a baiting maneuver asking them to misinterpret the video, as well as others to do so.

I would say it worked, and we are all fucked, because they certainly did.


That's not satire that's just childish baiting. And if the wsj acting like they did was something he wanted them to do, well that answers whether or not he should be able to sue them.


Perhaps you are correct, but let us not excuse the Wall Street Journal for taking the bait.

It is tantamount to buying drugs from an undercover cop, although the key difference is, Pewdiepie was at least honest in his intentions, something the Wall Street Journal should have been aware of if they have watched the video.
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I don't see


Breaking news: octorockandroll is now blind! Please read our piece at the WSJ.

What, you mean to say you're not blind and this is taken out of context?


he should be able to sue them.


Breaking news, octorockandroll is now a legal expert and advises PewDiePie to sue!


Context: it's kinda fucking important.
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Posted 2/16/17 , edited 2/16/17

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octorockandroll wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

"Journalism: the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast."

Wrong, what happened is entirely within the definition of journalism. And by the way, using h3h3 to back you up doesn't inspire much confidence from me or most others.


I don't particularly enjoy pewdiepie's content. But this is nothing other then slander. And I'm no moron, I know what journalists is. If you watch his very own videos and see what really happened then you'll see clear as day what they did was take him out of context and therefore nothing other then slander. Oh and h3h3 isn't the only one who has made a video about what really happened, if that's what you think.

Here we go, the original goal of his video was to show how far people are willing to go for money in today's world and him wearing a SS suit was to make fun of those who think he is a racist. But all him wearing that did was give ammunition for mainstream news to label him as a racist


So the plan was to dress and act like a racist... to invalidate people calling him a racist...

This is supposed to make the wsj look bad how exactly?


No not really. like I said the original goal of his videos was to show how far people are willing to go for a bit of money. So he payed people to make videos saying things like "hitler did nothing wrong" and along the lines to prove his point that people are willing to do anything for money. Which yes really is the wrong way to show how money controls the world and people and that led to backlash by some people who started calling him a nazi and such. Then yea he made that other video wearing a SS suit behaving like a rasict to invalidate people calling him a racist.

But regardless they did take him way out of context in that video they made that made him look like a literal nazi. So wsj pretty much slandered him, so their in the wrong here. Does that mean what Felix/pewdiepie did was right? Fuck no, what he did was wrong as there's way better ways to show how greedy people are and how much money influences peoples actions


I would argue that this is just an excuse for Lulz. We all know some people out there are whores for money, some are not. We might as well mix baking soda and vinegar and see what happens.
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