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When a traditional politician tells a lie they often get a hard time in the press. When a traditional politician reverses or contradicts their previous statements and policies in succession they often get a hard time in the press. When a traditional politician's aides appear to break the law they get a hard time in the press (and it usually gets harder for them until they are seen to take firm action to resolve the issue).

The key difference between Trump and a traditional politician is that the traditional politician would have thrown in the towel long ago. He is making more gaffes (and surviving them) than a traditional politician and so is accumulating more scrutiny over time.


Your hole statement is full of bullshit! Example Hillary was caught cheating many times throughout the election and the media swept it under the rug! Hell CNN even aided her to cheat, by giving her information on the debate questions ahead of time, even allowing her to choose what questions to use. Media is pissed that even with their cheating he still won. So no the media is a pile of shit that pushing a bullshit Agenda.


Ooops, looks like I failed a critical throw vs Agenda.

You clearly have strong views about the Hilary and Trump campaigns and as a neutral observer I don't particularly care. I did find interesting during the campaign the times when Hilary was confronted with a difficult issue only for Trump to say something controversial and distract attention away from her. Was Hilary given better treatment by the US media than Trump after taking into account Trump's tendency to distract attention from his opponent? As I live outside of the US I can't give a solid answer, though I did notice a lot of people screaming "bias" at non-US sources that seemed to give a balanced and fair view of both candidates (conveniently forgetting in their pro-Trump hysteria the lengthy articles about Hilary's email problems linked on the same page).

However, if you set aside Hilary for the moment and apply what I have said to other politicians, you should see that my "hole [sic] statement" is not "full of bullshit." You should also notice that I used the word "often" - there is an old adage that there is always an exception to every rule. Finding a situation that you feel does not fit with my statement does not make what I said void, it just means you have found a potential exception (or you are reading my words through Agenda tinted spectacles).
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MidoriNoTora wrote:
When a traditional politician tells a lie they often get a hard time in the press. When a traditional politician reverses or contradicts their previous statements and policies in succession they often get a hard time in the press. When a traditional politician's aides appear to break the law they get a hard time in the press (and it usually gets harder for them until they are seen to take firm action to resolve the issue).

The key difference between Trump and a traditional politician is that the traditional politician would have thrown in the towel long ago. He is making more gaffes (and surviving them) than a traditional politician and so is accumulating more scrutiny over time.

His unconvential style was key to his election win but it is also his weakness. As an example, he and his aides have been swinging between scrapping and supporting NATO several times in the past weeks, with mixed messages coming from both the Whitehouse and Twitter. Most leaders would have got their staff in a room and agreed the message first for consistency. Instead you have all of America's allies scratching their heads trying to work out where the Trump administration is going to jump next.


The problem is, what are being called lies, and misinformation, are being misconstrued. A lot of it IS true, if it weren't he wouldn't have the backing that he does in spite of the massive criticism. And it's been that way from the START of his campaign. They didn't let off him even once, regardless of how well he did. That does not happen with other politicians. They receive criticisms, but most often they're deserved. Sometimes they're not - but that's beside the point. They can't get their story straight because Trump circumvents the people who typically censor what the public is "allowed" to hear - of course that creates confusion - but it's also something we deserve. To know.

The media IS dishonest, they've BEEN dishonest and people right down to your common everyday worker who has had unfair coverage after being interviewed has spoken out on it, not just Trump. The way it's gone with Trump? Find a positive thing that was said, even surrounding his positive messages about immigrants.

My problem is that Trump can flat out say "immigrants are good for america, illegal immigrants are not" - and they turn around and tell us "Trump says immigrants are bad, he's racist!" - this is something you don't see with other politicians, not near this level of slander. I find it sickening and I've been into politics for a decade - and I've never seen it this bad.

People lined up against him before he ever had anything they could go off of, they used things like his reality TV show to criticize him at the start, and made him sound dumb so people thought he had no chance of winning. Ever since they realized he had that chance and did know what he was talking about, they've ALL lined up to try and stop him. To me, that says that isn't lying, that they're desperately trying to sell that story because they don't want to truth to come out - because the truth, at least according to Trump, is beyond imagining. It's movie-level conspiracy - and it's real. The MSM and politicians blindly opposing everything he says PROVE that there's something to it, or he wouldn't be gathering the following he is.

The truth is we don't know all the inner workings of the white house, and we don't know how his transition has been, or how he's doing now, but what we do know is what he's said and what he's signed - and with the amount he's gotten done, messages like "things are tough at the white house for trump administration" are not believable. There are already results - and that's what the supporters wanted to see.

Sorry again, I type well over 100 words per minute and when I take Xanax, my posts get long. Hopefully one of you (I'm not directing this at you, , Midori) has the reading ability to make it through this short page - I get complaints all the time that people can't read that much, so ... apparently, I waste my time a lot.
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4 biggest reasons CNN is called fake news... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfW_ogd0ZM
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

4 biggest reasons CNN is called fake news... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfW_ogd0ZM


Hey, watch it, Deadly Oats, he's moving in on your "YouTube Will Save Me!" territory!

This is going to turn ugly, I know, most k00k-wars do...
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Posted 2/24/17 , edited 2/28/17

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

4 biggest reasons CNN is called fake news... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfW_ogd0ZM


Hey, watch it, Deadly Oats, he's moving in on your "YouTube Will Save Me!" territory!

This is going to turn ugly, I know, most k00k-wars do...


That doesn't sound like an argument against anything

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>not getting your news from a combination of youtube, liveleak and other live streaming services
>letting the lamestream media tell you how to feel about an event before you watch it
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ever since 9/11 I stopped watching and believing the news expect for weather events. There is one thing I learned jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. It is also why I don't believe anything the government says including the stuff on alien life I now know that we are far from being alone in the universe regardless of what the government says. I consider it a scientific fact now and I don't care what anyone else says
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ever since 9/11 I stopped watching and believing the news expect for weather events. There is one thing I learned jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. It is also why I don't believe anything the government says including the stuff on alien life I now know that we are far from being alone in the universe regardless of what the government says. I consider it a scientific fact now and I don't care what anyone else says


(Not sure if serious, but if you are, the Prosecution thanks you.)
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gsm642 wrote:

ever since 9/11 I stopped watching and believing the news expect for weather events. There is one thing I learned jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. It is also why I don't believe anything the government says including the stuff on alien life I now know that we are far from being alone in the universe regardless of what the government says. I consider it a scientific fact now and I don't care what anyone else says


would it be better to ask a metallurgist about how metal reacts to heat at what temperature? (and how.)
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Crisis actors used by main stream media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CoKGKZKIBw

Getting caught flat-footed fabricating the news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgAKkmlN9tQ
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I know you all like to single out CNN but if we are talking fake news, how is nobody mentioning the Swedish National Security Advisor on Fox??
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I know you all like to single out CNN but if we are talking fake news, how is nobody mentioning the Swedish National Security Advisor on Fox??


Tell us about it, as dispassionate as possible if you would.
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RebRebel wrote:

I know you all like to single out CNN but if we are talking fake news, how is nobody mentioning the Swedish National Security Advisor on Fox??


Tell us about it, as dispassionate as possible if you would.


Can't decide if that's sarcasm or not? I'll choose to believe not and assume you haven't seen the reports. Even Bill O'Reilly said criticism was valid. It's one thing to have an "expert" (I'm using quotes because the word expert on any news channel is always open to interpretation regardless) on talking about where he perceives a problems root cause to lie, it's another all together to represent him as a government advisor to boost the legitimacy of his views. Wouldn't you agree that counts as fake news?

Is that dispassionate enough? No mention (other than here) of Trump, Liberals, Conservatives, perceived racism, actual racism or any other trigger words.
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It's disingenuous, certainly. Embarrassing, definitely. Fake news? I suppose, in that nothing this guy said can be trusted. He went from what could be assumed to be an A or B level source to a D or an F level source.

Nils Bildt, as he identifies himself, appears to have told them that he was "Sweden's National Security Advisor", and they apparently did not do enough fact checking. This has been a problem for many news agencies for at least the entire length of history. It almost always goes this way, too, so far as I can recall. Embarrassments all around and maybe some apologies and retractions.
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