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We already knew they was cloning animals and fish and such. We already knew they was genetically modifying mice, and fish, and frogs and such. But did anyone know they was creating chimeras?

http://www.infowars.com/the-era-of-chimeras-scientists-fearlessly-create-bizarre-humananimal-hybrids/

What's a chimera you ask?

The following link has the definition of the word.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chimera

They are creating animals that are part human.

What?! Why?!

To create a way to grow human organs that can be used in organ transplant surgeries. It seems simple at first glance, but the issue is a whole lot more complex than that. A whole slew of ethical questions come up.


Scientists try to justify the creation of human/animal hybrids by telling us that it will help “cure disease” and help “end world hunger”, but what if scientists discover that combining human DNA with animal DNA can give us incredible new abilities or greatly extended lifespans? Will humanity really have the restraint to keep from going down that road?

In my previous article entitled “Transhumanists: Superhuman Powers And Life Extension Technologies Will Allow Us To Become Like God“, I explored the obsession that transhumanists have with human enhancement. The temptation to “take control of our own evolution” will surely be too great for many scientists to resist. And even if some nations outlaw the complete merging of humans and animals, that does not mean that everyone else in the world will.

And once animal DNA gets into our breeding pool, how will we ever put the genie back into the bottle? As the DNA of the human race becomes corrupted, it is easy to imagine a future where there are very few “pure humans” remaining.

Sadly, most of the scientists working in this field express very little concern for these types of considerations. In fact, one very prominent U.S. geneticist says that we should not even worry about hybridization because he believes that humans were originally pig/chimpanzee hybrids anyway…


There are more issues, than just the ones discussed in the quoted section of the article. Read on for more info.

While some scientists are excited about the possibilities for medicine, others are raising issues that are quite interesting when you consider how creepy it would be. Like what if a pig not only had human organs, but somehow ended up intelligent enough to know what was going on around it, and knew just enough to say, "Help me," as it was led to the slaughter?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/545106/human-animal-chimeras-are-gestating-on-us-research-farms/


The effort to incubate organs in farm animals is ethically charged because it involves adding human cells to animal embryos in ways that could blur the line between species.

Last September, in a reversal of earlier policy, the National Institutes of Health announced it would not support studies involving such “human-animal chimeras” until it had reviewed the scientific and social implications more closely.



“The specter of an intelligent mouse stuck in a laboratory somewhere screaming ‘I want to get out’ would be very troubling to people.”



“What if the embryo that develops is mostly human? It’s something that we don’t expect, but no one has done this experiment, so we can’t rule it out.”
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We need and should do this to advance society.

EthicAlly there is no problem to enhancing a human

This is what we transhumanists have been dreaming off
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The idea that superhuman and chimera could arise from genetic engineering is highly unrealistic and is confirmed to television logic. If humans can become overpowered by simply changing their genome then a superhuman could already had arisen by natural selection. This is not the Gundam Seed universe; there is no way to make an artificial species that can perform better than their natural counterpart in every way because natural selection has already chosen the best among the species for their current niche. If you want a species to take a new ecological position then that is a different story.

Making a chimera is not as easy as those in the science fiction stories. Contrary to individualist worldview, a physical traits do not always arise from a specific gene; it can arise from a combination of genes. A gene that provide long legs to one species may not provide long legs to another species. A gene that allow asexual reproduction on one species may prevent asexual reproduction in another species. If genes do not interact, then a species can produce fertile offspring with any other species on earth; species do not interbreed with a different species because their genes do not interact well together.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

We need and should do this to advance society.

EthicAlly there is no problem to enhancing a human

This is what we transhumanists have been dreaming off


I'm actually a bit scared of the idea of genetic modifications, but I don't have a problem with electronic and mechanical augmentations. Electronic eyes with brain implant interfaces to cure blindness - or to enhance vision (great for military applications). Actually, DARPA is studying a brain / computer interface, to help humans' cognitive abilities to be aided by built in computers, directly interfaced to the brain.

And China has announced a program to actually create genetically modified humans suitable for deep space travel. Which I think will become a problem, because it will introduce a whole new level of bigotry. The superhumans will look down their noses at natural humans, and natural humans will see superhumans as abominations. You know how it is. We've got to hate on someone for some reason. Right?
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If an animal actually managed to say "help me" while it goes to the slaughter house, I think we´d save it and let it live. We humans are weird and hypocritical about stuff like that.

As far at genetical modification goes, I have no problems with it. We need to adapt to any future we may have, maybe even on a different planet, and so we should always be striving to become a more superior and more resilient species than we are at the moment. Like what neanderthals were before us and so on.

The moment we stop evolving and stop adapting, we will die out, either to environmental catastrophes or being exterminated by another species.
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We would more or less have to "GMO" to terraform places like Mars or Detroit. If you open the well, though, people are going to drink.
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Animal usage isn't disturbing enough? Give me a break people.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

We need and should do this to advance society.

EthicAlly there is no problem to enhancing a human

This is what we transhumanists have been dreaming off


I'm actually a bit scared of the idea of genetic modifications, but I don't have a problem with electronic and mechanical augmentations. Electronic eyes with brain implant interfaces to cure blindness - or to enhance vision (great for military applications). Actually, DARPA is studying a brain / computer interface, to help humans' cognitive abilities to be aided by built in computers, directly interfaced to the brain.

And China has announced a program to actually create genetically modified humans suitable for deep space travel. Which I think will become a problem, because it will introduce a whole new level of bigotry. The superhumans will look down their noses at natural humans, and natural humans will see superhumans as abominations. You know how it is. We've got to hate on someone for some reason. Right?


Well it will happen whether or not we like it.
Transhumans are going to become a reality something i have hoped for, for a long time.

with CRISPR we alive now could be genetically modified.

Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhjPd4uNFY
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Well, Clarice, are the frogs still gay?

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Animal usage isn't disturbing enough? Give me a break people.

What do you mean by "disturbing enough"?
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Transhumans are going to become a reality something i have hoped for, for a long time.


Have you heard of the Transhumanist Party and Zoltan Istvan?
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Ryulightorb wrote:


Transhumans are going to become a reality something i have hoped for, for a long time.


Have you heard of the Transhumanist Party and Zoltan Istvan?


Nope doesn't ring a bell
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man this whole convo made me hungry for a cheeseburger.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Animal usage isn't disturbing enough? Give me a break people.

What do you mean by "disturbing enough"?


Farm animals aren't as stupid as we think. They clearly are conscious creatures capable of great suffering.I mean, does anyone really need them to say "Don't kill me" to understand this?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


MonoDreams wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Animal usage isn't disturbing enough? Give me a break people.

What do you mean by "disturbing enough"?


Farm animals aren't as stupid as we think. They clearly are conscious creatures capable of great suffering.I mean, does anyone really need them to say "Don't kill me" to understand this?


eh even if it begs i will eat it
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