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Japan’s interpreters struggle to make sense of ‘Trumpese’
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プロとして訳したことない方は自分の意見を遠慮しておっしゃらない方がよさそうですね。
あと、無能など大変失礼でしょう。

as for translating Trump, they're having to deal with someone who would insult people nonchalantly and make inside references without much explanation. case in point:
his use of the word "secretariat", which is officially defined as


the office or people responsible for the management of an organization, especially an international or political one
-Cambridge University




The difficulty translating Trump, they say, has little to do with his use of language.
...But it’s when he speaks off-the-cuff, Tsuruta said, that interpreters are most likely to find themselves scratching their heads, with Trump frequently jumping from one topic to another and gravitating toward insults and vulgarities. Miwako Hibi, a broadcast interpreter of more than 20 years, said it was “very hard” to follow Trump’s logic — or lack thereof — particularly his tendency to mention proper nouns out of context.
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But she wasn’t so lucky with “secretariat,” which she mistakenly thought was Trump’s alternate way of referring to Reince.
“I mistranslated that one,” Hibi said. “It didn’t even occur to me that he was talking about a race horse. … It’s really hard to follow his train of thought.”

now, unless you were acquainted with race horses, you'd reasonably assume "secretariat" really meant "secretariat" and not something else entirely.
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If anyone seriously thinks a translator having a difficult time working with material like this:


No, no. I do that. Here’s the thing. OK. I understand what you’re — and you’re right about that, except this. See, I know when I should get good and when I should get bad. And sometimes I’ll say, “Wow, that’s going to be a great story.” And I’ll get killed.

I know what’s good and bad. I’d be a pretty good reporter, not as good as you. But I know what’s good. I know what’s bad.


Is entirely their fault, I'd really like to see what textbook or program you think they learned English from because it's got to be pretty different from anything I've ever seen.



It helps if u listen to that excerpt from the press conference few days ago, because a (improper) transcription does not actually reflect intonation used to convey meaning. Anyways, if you want to translation, here is ur trump.translate.google.com


No, no, that is indeed what I do. But here's the problem I have about it now, okay? I understand what you're trying saying, and you're mostly right about that, except on this one point. You see, I know when I should recieve a good news story, and when I should get bad news story. And at times when I think, "Wow, this is going to be a great story.", they will instead kill me on it.

And I know what is actually good or bad. I would be a pretty good reporter, although perhaps not as good as you. But I would know what is a good or bad news story.
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プロとして訳したことない方は自分の意見を遠慮しておっしゃらない方がよさそうですね。
あと、無能など大変失礼でしょう。



Trying to say something about me being naïve, mmmhhhmmm? Such lazyness...
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if you can't understand even basic Japanese, please refrain from making comments about people translating Japanese, thanks.
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if you can't understand even basic Japanese, please refrain from making comments about people translating Japanese, thanks.


*If you don't know how to properly translate Trump, don't call yourself a translator.
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TheGrandAlliance wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

If anyone seriously thinks a translator having a difficult time working with material like this:


No, no. I do that. Here’s the thing. OK. I understand what you’re — and you’re right about that, except this. See, I know when I should get good and when I should get bad. And sometimes I’ll say, “Wow, that’s going to be a great story.” And I’ll get killed.

I know what’s good and bad. I’d be a pretty good reporter, not as good as you. But I know what’s good. I know what’s bad.


Is entirely their fault, I'd really like to see what textbook or program you think they learned English from because it's got to be pretty different from anything I've ever seen.



It helps if u listen to that excerpt from the press conference few days ago, because a (improper) transcription does not actually reflect intonation used to convey meaning. Anyways, if you want to translation, here is ur trump.translate.google.com


No, no, that is indeed what I do. But here's the problem I have about it now, okay? I understand what you're trying saying, and you're mostly right about that, except on this one point. You see, I know when I should recieve a good news story, and when I should get bad news story. And at times when I think, "Wow, this is going to be a great story.", they will instead kill me on it.

And I know what is actually good or bad. I would be a pretty good reporter, although perhaps not as good as you. But I would know what is a good or bad news story.


So a computer program was needed to tell native english speakers what this guy is saying and you present that as showing that a non native english speaking translator should have understood it naturally?

Um, yeah. You sure showed me.
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Trump derangement syndrome strikes Japan!
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octorockandroll wrote:
So a computer program was needed to tell native english speakers what this guy is saying and you present that as showing that a non native english speaking translator should have understood it naturally?

Um, yeah. You sure showed me.



Because not all "native speakers" are actually "native", of course. They have therefore, a limited set of language skills.


The back over the border with them to Canada, as I would imagine....
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Right, three points:

#1: Trump has a profound ability to speak at length while saying literally nothing. He speaks in an rambling stream of consciousness word salad that often has virtually nothing to do with the topic at hand or the question he was asked. He also lies as easily as he breaths. Even going out of his way to repeat completely unrelated falsehoods when asked a question. I can't imagine trying to translate it in real time.

In terms of tossing a word salad, Trump is the Sith Lord to Palin's apprentice.

#2: That said, trying to argue that Trump is some sort of articulate, gifted communicator is so absurd as to approach Poe's Law.

#3: It's even more absurd when said argument is being typed out in a manner typically reserved for Tweets and Tinder pick up lines.

Though, in that sense, that may be why you perceive Trump as a gifted communicator. -.-

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#2: That said, trying to argue that Trump is some sort of articulate, gifted communicator is so absurd as to approach Poe's Law


Just so u know, Trump is the President of USA, right? Anyone who finds a way to be President of a democracy, is by definition, a good communicator. He got millions of votes, and more so, millions of people to not vote at all. "Someone" heard him clearly enough.


It is so funny that liberals accuse a sitting president of improper communication skills. Clearly, someone is hurt that they lost.... Or liberals are just literally retarded. More likely...
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Just so u know, Trump is the President of USA, right? Anyone who finds a way to be President of a democracy, is by definition, a good communicator. He got millions of votes, and more so, millions of people to not vote at all. "Someone" heard him clearly enough.


No, they are not by definition a "good communicator". Also he got millions of votes ( but less than Hillary ) but millions of people did not vote at all isn't a great argument.



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It is so funny that liberals accuse a sitting president of improper communication skills. Clearly, someone is hurt that they lost.... Or liberals are just literally retarded. More likely...


"Nothing is wrong you're just sore you lost" is also not a great argument.

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Just so u know, Trump is the President of USA, right? Anyone who finds a way to be President of a democracy, is by definition, a good communicator. He got millions of votes, and more so, millions of people to not vote at all. "Someone" heard him clearly enough.


It is so funny that liberals accuse a sitting president of improper communication skills. Clearly, someone is hurt that they lost.... Or liberals are just literally retarded. More likely...
for once, the US voting system is messed up.
2nd having the people say that one side is this or that, are retarded.
3rd, that many americans just love to put people into the same sh*t right? (from media to the people or groups)

from race, religion and so on?
(a lot of buzzwords that you can mostly only could find in the US)

and yes trump wasn't a good candidate even if many voted for him.
true that some things could be better or worse between hillary or trump.

But now to focus on what trump believes, says or act upon says a lot that he doesn't really "care" that much.
He likes to make money.
He says what ever comes to mind.
He have proven before and said on live television infront of many americans that he screwed some of them over and likes it/supports it.
He also does not seem to know how to fix a problem either.
Sure the obama might have had his plans for the ban, trump did for some countries.
But he got poor ideas on how to fix radical ideas and how they are coming into the country.
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No, they are not by definition a "good communicator". Also he got millions of votes ( but less than Hillary ) but millions of people did not vote at all isn't a great argument.

"Nothing is wrong you're just sore you lost" is also not a great argument.


No, it is a GRAND argument! Indeed it is so...
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TheGrandAlliance wrote:


runec wrote:

#2: That said, trying to argue that Trump is some sort of articulate, gifted communicator is so absurd as to approach Poe's Law


Just so u know, Trump is the President of USA, right? Anyone who finds a way to be President of a democracy, is by definition, a good communicator.


A good argument if you ignore the fact that Trump did not win by democracy seeing as he lost the popular vote and was only awarded a win in an electoral system that does to democracy what 4kids did to One Piece: It's recognizable, but you're still not gonna act like they're the same thing.
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So from my understanding of the "understanding of Trumpese" by TheGrandAlliance, it can be summed up as with two points:

1) When Trump makes indirect remarks (sometimes) about very exact and literal things, but does not necessarily mean them, since he did not say it in conclusive terms. Do not take it personally, for this is mainly about feeling and effect anyway.

2) When Trump makes direct remarks, he means them, and is his views on the matter is subjugated to change as he learns more about it. (Personal opinion here: makes sense, everyone does this, or should do it. Just not sure if it should be done as frequently as Trump.)

*This is assuming everything Alliance as typed is true about Trumpese.

Anyway, my personal opinion on the translation flow of Trump; harder than beating Dark Souls (all three in a row), without dieing once. English is the most technical language of the planet, and while I can barely see the logic Alliance is putting forth (at least my assumptions above), Trump makes use of everything the language itself has to offer. It is hard to understand what Trump means while he speaks, without carefully analyzing his entire message as a whole first (goes back to the looping thing Alliance mentioned). The hard part is, since different languages often do not use the same sentence structure and literal and non-literal vocabulary that English does, finding and translating the difference between 1 & 2 accurately can be next to impossible for a language like Japanese, since its more of a literal language, to my limited understanding on it.

Note on being a "good communicator" and being president was invalidated when Bush Jr took office. J/S
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