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George Takei talks about his sexual experience at 13/14 with 18/19 year old camp counselor
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Takei was talking about his first sexual experience he had at 13 with an 18 year old old. It didn't sound predatory, but I can see how some people might see it that way. I don't think it's a big deal. To be fair I think Milo Y. was probably taken out of context as well. I can't stand him but I don't believe, and don't want to believe that he's a pedophile.


Don't defend that shit, just don't.
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kinga750 wrote:

Takei was talking about his first sexual experience he had at 13 with an 18 year old old. It didn't sound predatory, but I can see how some people might see it that way. I don't think it's a big deal. To be fair I think Milo Y. was probably taken out of context as well. I can't stand him but I don't believe, and don't want to believe that he's a pedophile.


Don't defend that shit, just don't.


Why? It's true that some 13 year olds are sexually active, and some will undoubtedly have sex with people older than them. It's not something that should be encouraged but it does happen. Shaming everyone into silence doesn't do shit.

All Takei said was that he didn't feel like he was molested. Who are you to tell him he was molested half a century ago without even knowing it? Fucking absurd.
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kinga750 wrote:

Takei was talking about his first sexual experience he had at 13 with an 18 year old old. It didn't sound predatory, but I can see how some people might see it that way. I don't think it's a big deal. To be fair I think Milo Y. was probably taken out of context as well. I can't stand him but I don't believe, and don't want to believe that he's a pedophile.


Don't defend that shit, just don't.


Why? It's true that some 13 year olds are sexually active, and some will undoubtedly have sex with people older than them. It's not something that should be encouraged but it does happen. Shaming everyone into silence doesn't do shit.

All Takei said was that he didn't feel like he was molested. Who are you to tell him he was molested half a century ago without even knowing it? Fucking absurd.


A sensible person who knows what the word molestation means, perhaps?
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kinga750 wrote:

Takei was talking about his first sexual experience he had at 13 with an 18 year old old. It didn't sound predatory, but I can see how some people might see it that way. I don't think it's a big deal. To be fair I think Milo Y. was probably taken out of context as well. I can't stand him but I don't believe, and don't want to believe that he's a pedophile.


Don't defend that shit, just don't.


Why? It's true that some 13 year olds are sexually active, and some will undoubtedly have sex with people older than them. It's not something that should be encouraged but it does happen. Shaming everyone into silence doesn't do shit.

All Takei said was that he didn't feel like he was molested. Who are you to tell him he was molested half a century ago without even knowing it? Fucking absurd.


Do the world a favor and try it for yourself and be sure to tell your local law enforcement officials too. See how well that works out for you. Fucking repugnant.
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kinga750 wrote:

Takei was talking about his first sexual experience he had at 13 with an 18 year old old. It didn't sound predatory, but I can see how some people might see it that way. I don't think it's a big deal. To be fair I think Milo Y. was probably taken out of context as well. I can't stand him but I don't believe, and don't want to believe that he's a pedophile.


Don't defend that shit, just don't.


I mean if he wasn't against it (him having sex at 13) to him it's not molestation.

Its easy to understand the view of both sides here but it would indeed be under molestation.

Whole things stupid though those under 16 shouldn't be having sex imho.
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Do the world a favor and try it for yourself and be sure to tell your local law enforcement officials too. See how well that works out for you. Fucking repugnant.


The world isn't so clean and straightforward that you can just blindly throw your morals at every situation without context. Something makes you uncomfortable so nobody is allowed to talk about it?
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kinga750 wrote:

The world isn't so clean and straightforward that you can just blindly throw your morals at every situation without context. Something makes you uncomfortable so nobody is allowed to talk about it?


Save it for the judge.

Edit: you know I wish you would say that shit to a judge. It'd be worth it just to see them throw a literal book at you.
Posted 2/21/17

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MysticGon wrote:


kinga750 wrote:

Takei was talking about his first sexual experience he had at 13 with an 18 year old old. It didn't sound predatory, but I can see how some people might see it that way. I don't think it's a big deal. To be fair I think Milo Y. was probably taken out of context as well. I can't stand him but I don't believe, and don't want to believe that he's a pedophile.


Don't defend that shit, just don't.


I mean if he wasn't against it (him having sex at 13) to him it's not molestation.
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That's not how it works
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That's not how it works


i'm not saying it does i'm saying TO HIM he doesn't see it as molestation.
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MysticGon wrote:

Save it for the judge.


Calm the fuck down. Regardless, I agree with you. He was too young to consent. If he does not want to charge the guy, then that is that. It is his experience.
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Well, he may have a point. A lot of women will consent to otherwise creepy behavior from guys if they are attractive.


Or if they're rich. I believe Trump made the same point, although he wasn't talking about children and Takei was.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Well, he may have a point. A lot of women will consent to otherwise creepy behavior from guys if they are attractive.


Or if they're rich. I believe Trump made the same point, although he wasn't talking about children and Takei was.


I'll have to read into this. In any case, I was disturbed by a personal experience of a sexual harassment claim. Honestly? School is fucking shit when we believe women over men.
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i'm not saying it does i'm saying TO HIM he doesn't see it as molestation.


Yes that's the whole point. In this case if there is no victim, there is no crime. 13-18 is super sketchy but we aren't gay asians at summer camp in 1950. Don't try to judge someone so far outside your purview.
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Right, couple things. First of all, this is not pedophilia. Nor was the thing with Milo, as I said in the other thread. Second of all, the legal term you guys are looking for here is statutory rape. Third of all, when Takei recounts this story he is 13-14 and the guy is 18-19. For states and countries with Romeo & Juliet laws this could only be a year or so off. So lets not all make a show of clutching our pearls when the difference between legal and illegal here could be one birthday if this happened today.

Finally, Takei is recounting his first sexual experience with an older teen. Milo was advocating relationships between teens and older men. In Milo's case he was recounting and advocating 16 vs 30 as for Milo he had a relationship with a much older man ( 29 ) when he was 16. These are not the same thing. Takei is not saying everyone needs to go out and get a handjob at summer camp. Milo, however, essentially is and is saying said handjob should come from some dude in his 30s. Not an 18 year old camp counselor.

Much as I loath Milo he is being mislabeled and taken out of context to some degree. The US media and cultural psyche throws the P word on anything beneath the age of consent ( and indeed some things over the age of consent ). When that is neither legally nor psychologically accurate.
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