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My question is why are you here? You seem to dislike Japan and yet you seem to be supporting part of it?

I mean you are looking like an inflammatory troll



What u talking about? You never read my posts before?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-982295/do-you-really-want-to-go-to-japan

I love Japan, even got 57/101 on the "Weaboo" test.

Doesn't make them not racist. After all, why am I here, and not there?...
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Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

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uncletim wrote:

My question is why are you here? You seem to dislike Japan and yet you seem to be supporting part of it?

I mean you are looking like an inflammatory troll



What u talking about? You never read my posts before?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-982295/do-you-really-want-to-go-to-japan

I love Japan, even got 57/101 on the "Weaboo" test.

Doesn't make them not racist. After all, why am I here, and not there?...


I get that you're extremely misinformed about several things here, but that's no reason to use the language you're using, painting an entire nation as racist. Please stop doing it.
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Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

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uncletim wrote:

My question is why are you here? You seem to dislike Japan and yet you seem to be supporting part of it?

I mean you are looking like an inflammatory troll



What u talking about? You never read my posts before?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-982295/do-you-really-want-to-go-to-japan

I love Japan, even got 57/101 on the "Weaboo" test.

Doesn't make them not racist. After all, why am I here, and not there?...


So you just pick and choose what parts of Japan you want to like and ridicule the rest?

Sorry sometimes you have to take the good with the bad

Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

uncletim wrote:

My question is why are you here? You seem to dislike Japan and yet you seem to be supporting part of it?

I mean you are looking like an inflammatory troll


> just because you do not agree with someone you should not assume that there a troll? maybe try talking not automatic troll calling!
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Your argument is "Japan is so racist!" ---
I show you that they're not as racist as you think and you bring refugees into the equation. Alright, so...
Your underlying statement here is:

"Because I agree with Trump's ban against Muslim refugees and people are mentioning Japan, I'm going to use a well-known fact about Japan being plagued by racism to show that it could be worse!"

Let's take a moment to reflect on Japan's low amount of refugees last year...applicants were as followed:

1,829 of them were Indonesian.
1,451 of them were Nepalese.
1,413 of them were Filipinos.
4 of them were Syrian.

Only 27 of them were accepted as refugees. 97 of them were given resident status due to humanitarian reasons. (Source). That doesn't include those who applied for residence status (not refugee status). Last year marked an all-time high for foreign residents in Japan, about 2,000,000 legal residents that came from different countries. Of that two million...

665,847 were from China.
457,772 were from South Korea.
229,595 were from the Phillippines.

That means 1,353,214 out of 2,000,000 were from places that the Japanese have been known to be rather "racist" against. The remainder were from countries that were not of the majority (like United States, Canada, etc) so they haven't been published with accuracy.

You may notice that the minority of those attempting to get refugee status in Japan aren't Muslim. So, again, what does this have to do with Trump?



Nice try, but the people u cite are being exploited and misclassified as "refugees" in order to import cheap labor with hellish living conditions.


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/21/national/social-issues/migrants-exploiting-refugee-applicant-loophole-work-labor-scarce-japan/

Migrants exploiting refugee applicant loophole to work in labor-scarce Japan

Earlier this month, the Justice Ministry announced that refugee applications had reached a record high 10,901 in 2016, a 44 percent jump from the previous year.

By nationality, applicants from Indonesia topped the list, surging to 1,829 from 969 in 2015. They numbered only 17 in 2014 and 19 in 2013.
The second-highest number of applicants in 2016 — 1,451 — came from Nepal, followed by 1,412 Filipinos, 1,143 Turks, 1,072 Vietnamese, 938 Sri Lankans, 650 from Myanmar, 470 Indians, 318 Cambodians and 289 Pakistanis.

Experts recently interviewed by The Japan Times largely agree that a vast majority of the recent applicants are migrants trying to take advantage of a loophole in this nation’s convoluted and time-consuming refugee recognition procedures. They are taking this route because of Japan’s official policy of not accepting unskilled foreign workers.

Thanks to a 2010 law revision, an applicant for refugee status can start working in Japan six months after filing.
The rule change has apparently encouraged thousands of migrant workers to apply for refugee status and thereby stay longer, experts said.
“It’s obvious (that migrant workers) have abused the refugee application system, leading to the dramatic increase in the number of applicants in recent years,” Saburo Takizawa, a former representative in Japan for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said in a recent interview.

“That has nothing to with the recent increase in refugees in Europe,” such as those from Syria, Iraq and African countries, said Takizawa, who is now chairman of the board of the Japan Association for UNHCR, a nonprofit official fundraising agency for the U.N. refugee agency.



Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

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Nice try, but the people u cite are being exploited and misclassified as "refugees" in order to import cheap labor with hellish living conditions.


Did you actually read what I had written? Or are you just choosing to skim over it because of the responses you're getting? Lol.
I backed up your own data with additional data and supplied statistics of those who applied for refugee status.

Oh well. I'm trying to have a genuine conversation with you but you're refusing to read what I type without linking the first article that agrees with your viewpoint. :/

Carry on.
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TheGrandAlliance wrote:
Nice try, but the people u cite are being exploited and misclassified as "refugees" in order to import cheap labor with hellish living conditions.


Did you actually read what I had written? Or are you just choosing to skim over it because of the responses you're getting? Lol.
I backed up your own data with additional data and supplied statistics of those who applied for refugee status.

Oh well. I'm trying to have a genuine conversation with you but you're refusing to read what I type without linking the first article that agrees with your viewpoint. :/

Carry on.



You are saying they are doing it "out of kindness of Japanese heart". It is you who only looks at selective numbers and fail to realize why it is so. They not bringing in cheap labor "for humanitarian reasons".


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/business/global/21apprentice.html

Japan Training Program Is Said to Exploit Workers

Critics say foreign trainees have become an exploited source of cheap labor in a country with one of the world’s most rapidly aging populations and lowest birthrates. All but closed to immigration, Japan faces an acute labor shortage, especially for jobs at the country’s hardscrabble farms or small family-run factories.

“The mistreatment of trainees appears to be widespread,” said Shoichi Ibusuki, a human rights lawyer based in Tokyo.
From across Asia, about 190,000 trainees — migrant workers in their late teens to early 30s — now toil in factories and farms in Japan. They have been brought to the country, in theory, to learn technical expertise under an international aid program started by the Japanese government in the 1990s.

For businesses, the government-sponsored trainee program has offered a loophole to hiring foreign workers. But with little legal protection, the indentured work force is exposed to substandard, sometimes even deadly, working conditions, critics say.

Government records show that at least 127 of the trainees have died since 2005 — or one of about every 2,600 trainees, which experts say is a high death rate for young people who must pass stringent physicals to enter the program. Many deaths involved strokes or heart failure that worker rights groups attribute to the strain of excessive labor.

The Justice Ministry found more than 400 cases of mistreatment of trainees at companies across Japan in 2009, including failing to pay legal wages and exposing trainees to dangerous work conditions. This month, labor inspectors in central Japan ruled that a 31-year-old Chinese trainee, Jiang Xiaodong, had died from heart failure induced by overwork.

Under pressure by human rights groups and a string of court cases, the government has begun to address some of the program’s worst abuses. The United Nations has urged Japan to scrap it altogether.



Blasphemy, of course. Fake News, even found a NY Times article for you to hate...





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Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

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Japan took in just 27 refugees last year. Yes, for the entire year.





And look what happened with just that many http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/02/22/tokyo-cops-arrest-turkish-asylum-seekers-in-gang-rape-of-woman/


Honestly just because a bad bunch do shit like that it doesn't mean all asylum seekers are bad
Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

TheGrandAlliance wrote:
You are saying they are doing it "out of kindness of Japanese heart". It is you who only looks at selective numbers and fail to realize why it is so. They not bringing in cheap labor "for humanitarian reasons".


And again, you've not read anything I've said. The "humanitarian reasons" wasn't my point whatsoever. You're cherry-picking the argument to fit your own agenda. But, like I said, I'm done here. You're obviously not going to discuss this seriously at all because you're not even looking at it as a counter-argument to your own.

The articles you're linking != any relevancy to what I was talking about.
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Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

ninjitsuko wrote:


TheGrandAlliance wrote:
You are saying they are doing it "out of kindness of Japanese heart". It is you who only looks at selective numbers and fail to realize why it is so. They not bringing in cheap labor "for humanitarian reasons".


And again, you've not read anything I've said. The "humanitarian reasons" wasn't my point whatsoever. You're cherry-picking the argument to fit your own agenda. But, like I said, I'm done here. You're obviously not going to discuss this seriously at all because you're not even looking at it as a counter-argument to your own.

The articles you're linking != any relevancy to what I was talking about.



LoL, o no, I see your "article"... because ur one is citing misleading news article as "evidence". First of all, H1-B visa is an exploit of foreign labor designed to displace Americans at lower wages. It isn't something to be "proud" of, BTW. "Oh, but we can't find skilled labour". Uh, yea u can. Called "the thousands of Microsoft Contact Employees that can't get full time position". Don't even have to recruit. The H1B program is simply Wall Street exploit of poor people, but liberals like u too blind to see.

But u don't live in Seattle where the issue is relevant, so not like u would understand.


Second, the article u citing is referring to recent proposed changes to ease immigration standards, for everyone not just Indians. There isn't "some nefarious move to counter Trump"; as this fake news article is trying to conflate 2 random issues together.

....or did you misread this "disclaimer" in this fake news article?


read:http://www.livemint.com/Industry/FsChFlmLAYTQ0SV54UT1eL/Japans-green-card-welcome-for-Indian-IT-professionals-am.html

To be sure, the "green card" programe is open and applicable to all nationalities.


Thought as much. Try using real news website next time, not whatever "Live Mint" is, it is so...
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That isn't my point either. I wouldn't have cited multiple sources and numbers if it were just to talk about the H-1B visa aspect. You are quick to respond without any research into what I've actually stated.

LiveMint is a publication in India - this is news to those who are living in India, not the United States. So nice try on discrediting the source. Yes, it's open for all but they're opening the process in lieu of the restrictions being placed in the United States. Le sigh...

Again, my point is more so as to how and why you're referencing Trump when your overall statement is that "Japan is racist, look that way!" - which I've shown you that, despite the known racism, they're allowing more immigrants into their country than they used to (a decade or more ago). Not all immigrants are refugees, either. Try not to confuse the two as a singular term.
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Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

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...because apparently monkeys were not enough for you...


Right. Like you think everyone reading this thread will know that in your original title and with this remark you are referring to your slightly earlier thread (which was closed), because of course everyone read that, right?

I've changed the thread title to make it less vague -- basically just swapped in what you had in your "description." And I guess since you posted the monkey link, folks will get the idea that maybe you brought that up before.

So, with the title change, I'm letting this thread stay open for now.

However, I do ask that you keep your tone respectful, and avoid being inflammatory. At least one of your recent posts comes across as snarky and condescending. Please put some effort into avoiding that in your future replies.

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LiveMint is a publication in India - this is news to those who are living in India, not the United States. So nice try on discrediting the source. Yes, it's open for all but they're opening the process in lieu of the restrictions being placed in the United States. Le sigh...

Again, my point is more so as to how and why you're referencing Trump when your overall statement is that "Japan is racist, look that way!" - which I've shown you that, despite the known racism, they're allowing more immigrants into their country than they used to (a decade or more ago). Not all immigrants are refugees, either. Try not to confuse the two as a singular term.


1. These proposed changes been long in effect well before Trump had anything to do with anything. You make it sound like a "knee-jerk reaction" or something. An /easymode explaination here: http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/en/index.html

2. Japan is racist. Trump, is not. Why? Because if Japan does what Trump proposes and more, it is somehow not racism; but if Trump does it, all of a sudden the double-standard.

3. "They are letting more immigrants then ... ago". Yea, as defacto slave labor. That's not racist, ninjitsuko. Not at all.

4. Tourists who spend money in country, then leave, does not prove they are not racist. It proves they want your money, but not for you to stay permanently.

5. I suggest if you want to school yourself on immigration policies, instead of citing fake news, you check out Japanese Government White Papers here...

http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/seisaku/index.html
http://www.moj.go.jp/nyuukokukanri/kouhou/nyuukokukanri06_00068.html
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Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

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...because apparently monkeys were not enough for you...


Right. Like you think everyone reading this thread will know that in your original title and with this remark you are referring to your slightly earlier thread (which was closed), because of course everyone read that, right?


I considered it a mute point without needing to further exaggerate it. Is something wrong with that?


I've changed the thread title to make it less vague -- basically just swapped in what you had in your "description." And I guess since you posted the monkey link, folks will get the idea that maybe you brought that up before.


Fair enough, perhaps could use more words, but no matter.


However, I do ask that you keep your tone respectful, and avoid being inflammatory. At least one of your recent posts comes across as snarky and condescending. Please put some effort into avoiding that in your future replies.


I have no idea what you are talking about, plz cite. Doing my best to juggle this otherwise hot topic, without ire of others.
Posted 2/21/17 , edited 2/21/17

Ocale wrote:

It's almost like there is always a degree of racism everywhere.

It's almost like not everything is black and white.

It's almost like people exaggerate or something.

Why do I even bother.


I'm taking your words and putting them in my mouth. Om nom nom.
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