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after weeks of prodding he finely spoke out


All of his grandkids are jewish
He's tremendously pro Israel
Where exactly is this 'trump is antisemitic' stuff coming from? Why did he even need to make a statement on it?


Well his slow responce to the whole mess
oh and leaving the jews out of his holocaust remembrance day speech
Which is kind of like doing a Pearl harbor day speech and failing to mention the US Navy was there


I do not know, it seems from the NYT....

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/us/politics/trump-speaks-out-against-anti-semitism.html

That Trump said "innocent people". Which is better. Do not forget the millions of gays, gypsies, and "political opponents" (Nazi Germany was a complete police state with a cult of personality that turned in anyone with free though) that died too. It is not just about the Jews.

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oh and leaving the jews out of his holocaust remembrance day speech
Which is kind of like doing a Pearl harbor day speech and failing to mention the US Navy was there


That's because you have to remember they were fellow humans, not just 'jews'.
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oh and leaving the jews out of his holocaust remembrance day speech
Which is kind of like doing a Pearl harbor day speech and failing to mention the US Navy was there


That's because you have to remember they were fellow humans, not just 'jews'.


So why can't you remember they are fellow humans. not just Muslims?
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uncletim wrote:


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oh and leaving the jews out of his holocaust remembrance day speech
Which is kind of like doing a Pearl harbor day speech and failing to mention the US Navy was there


That's because you have to remember they were fellow humans, not just 'jews'.


So why can't you remember they are fellow humans. not just Muslims?


I think you should save that argument for later. I mean, Amyas actually has a point. People like Helmuth Huebner, members of The White Rose, were teenagers who were turned in with vicarious mob support where they were promptly executed. There were millions of other undesirables, from the mentally disabled who were gassed even before the concentration camps, to gays and gypsies.

So why are we faulting Trump for using the Holocaust equivalent of "Happy Holidays"?

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I agree, based on history, his intentions are easily conjectured, but I feel it is besides the point when the thread is reasonable-ish, give or take the lack of personal input. Why cannot we discuss this, despite OP's intentions? I believe that derailing it to oppose the "perceived imminence" of his spam, and his racism aren't the way to do it, but I suppose I cannot convince you. Do what you want.


I didn't say we couldn't discuss it. I just don't think he should get a free pass on his behaviour because he linked a legitimate source for once. I mean, yes I snarked at him but it was a factual snark. Trump does indeed appear to feel like he deserves praise for rising to the absolute bare minimum and he sent Spicey out to whine about it. Sparking a feud with the Anne Frank Center of all places.

Asking "What Trump can realistically do about anti-semitism" is a feigned innocence of a question given Trump's selection of advisers and pattern of behaviour thus far.



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So why are we faulting Trump for using the Holocaust equivalent of "Happy Holidays"?


Because everything he does in this realm is suspect due to having Bannon behind him.
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I agree, based on history, his intentions are easily conjectured, but I feel it is besides the point when the thread is reasonable-ish, give or take the lack of personal input. Why cannot we discuss this, despite OP's intentions? I believe that derailing it to oppose the "perceived imminence" of his spam, and his racism aren't the way to do it, but I suppose I cannot convince you. Do what you want.


I didn't say we couldn't discuss it. I just don't think he should get a free pass on his behaviour because he linked a legitimate source for once. I mean, yes I snarked at him but it was a factual snark. Trump does indeed appear to feel like he deserves praise for rising to the absolute bare minimum and he sent Spicey out to whine about it. Sparking a feud with the Anne Frank Center of all places.

Asking "What Trump can realistically do about anti-semitism" is a feigned innocence of a question given Trump's selection of advisers and pattern of behaviour thus far.



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So why are we faulting Trump for using the Holocaust equivalent of "Happy Holidays"?


Because everything he does in this realm is suspect due to having Bannon behind him.


I suppose you are right. Although it seems it has gotten out of hands, perhaps inevitably. I shouldn't have been arguing with you on this subject in the first place Runec.

I think we can criticize his reasoning for not giving the speech in the first place, his selection of questionable advisors, etc.

I think Uncletim has descended into the sort of mudslinging that makes his side look no more rational.
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I suppose you are right. Although it seems it has gotten out of hands, perhaps inevitably. I shouldn't have been arguing with you on this subject in the first place Runec.

I think we can criticize his reasoning for not giving the speech in the first place, his selection of questionable advisors, etc.


Yes, thats kind of the kicker. This sort of thing has certainly been on the rise but much like with the David Duke thing it was like pulling teeth to get Trump to come out and say anything about it. Then to actually whine that he doesn't get enough credit over it, cripes. It's not about you, you orange trolloc.

Ultimately, the people look to the president for leadership whether the president realizes he's giving said leadership or not. That's the problem with being silent on the topic and doing things like commemorating the Holocaust without mentioning the Jews. That silence is a dog whistle to a certain segment of the population that followed the whistle all the way to the White House. To borrow an old line from the Simpsons: "Not racist, but #1 with racists".

Trump's behaviour and rhetoric has already served to embolden certain denizens of the country. Who are feeling ever more comfortable with expressing the terrible thoughts in their head as they think said thoughts have become more socially acceptable in the wake of Trump's campaign. And Trump knows this full well. He may be a thin skinned idiot but the one thing he does know is how to sell a con and tell people what they want to hear. ( See his stance on Hillary before and after the campaign for example ).

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The Anne Frank Center has one goal: To raise $$$$$$$$
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The Anne Frank Center has one goal: To raise $$$$$$$$


Isn't that the goal of every charitable organization?
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In what way did I make an unsubstantiated claim?


Point: Antisemitism on the rise
Evidence: A single anecdote
Was the point backed with ample evidence to be taken seriously? No
It might seem like it's on the raise because it's getting attention, but anti semitism has always existed. Just like how there are neo nazi and skin heads touting their bs
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The Anne Frank Center has one goal: To raise $$$$$$$$


Isn't that the goal of every charitable organization?


Yea, but MOST tend not to be despicable and accuse others of anti-semitism to get themselves in the news.
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Yea, but MOST tend not to be despicable and accuse others of anti-semitism to get themselves in the news.


Yeah, thats it. Has nothing to do with the weeks worth of bomb threats and what not against Jewish centers that Trump wouldn't comment on. That he attacked a Jewish reporter for even asking about or that when asked by an Israeli reporter about it he instead bragged about himself. And that's before you even get into Bannon and co in his inner circle.

But yeah, this is totally all cus the Anne Frank Center made a Facebook post.

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Which is kind of like doing a Pearl harbor day speech and failing to mention the US Navy was there


...but not quite as faux pas as doing a speech at a memorial for multiple murdered policemen and actively blaming the police for violence directed against them.

Huh, funny, politicians don't always stick to the talking points you would personally like them to. Strange thing, huh?
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It might seem like it's on the rise because it's getting attention, but anti semitism has always existed. Just like how there are neo nazi and skin heads touting their bs


Gee, I can't imagine why there is a factually incorrect perception that anti-semitism/ anti-Muslim/ anti-whatever is on the rise. Or that gun violence, mass murders, and right-wing violence are on the rise (despite factual crime statistics pointing to the opposite)?

Might it have something to do with entrenched media forces having vested interest in portraying the entire world going to shit in order to pin the blame to and thereby delegitimize Trump? Nah, certainly that couldn't be. Trustworthy bastions of unbiased reporting.
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