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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/transgender-boy-mack-beggs-wins-girls-state-wrestling-title-article-1.2982450

I know we talked about the topic of trans being able to compete in the opposite gender "section" of a sport, such as the Olympics etc but idk if examples were given, I think it was hypothetical

at thispoint imo be trans for god sake it doesn't affect me personally but in cases like this there is a unfair advantage, this shouldn't be allowed, this person should be in the male section of wrestling
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But the article you linked states the person in question was born female and competed in female wrestling. If they want to make testosterone a banned substance than sure I can see the point. Otherwise not sure what the point is.


The family of Mack Beggs has said he would rather be wrestling boys, but state policy calls for students to wrestle against the gender listed on their birth certificates.
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Lmao did you even read your own article before posting this?

It's a girl who wants to be a boy, competing against other girls.
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gildiin wrote:

But the article you linked states the person in question was born female and competed in female wrestling. If they want to make testosterone a banned substance than sure I can see the point. Otherwise not sure what the point is.


The family of Mack Beggs has said he would rather be wrestling boys, but state policy calls for students to wrestle against the gender listed on their birth certificates.


yes, I did see that and still imo itgives a unfair advantage, even if its 1 percent
it should be a banned substance in cases like this
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redokami wrote:


gildiin wrote:

But the article you linked states the person in question was born female and competed in female wrestling. If they want to make testosterone a banned substance than sure I can see the point. Otherwise not sure what the point is.


The family of Mack Beggs has said he would rather be wrestling boys, but state policy calls for students to wrestle against the gender listed on their birth certificates.


yes, I did see that and still imo itgives a unfair advantage, even if its 1 percent
it should be a banned substance in cases like this


Well in that case it is an issue with what substances should be banned. Being transgender doesn't mean the person will undergo testosterone treatment nor does taking testosterone require a person to be transgender. Feels like you are trying to force it to be about transgender people when it should be about what substances should be allowed in sports.

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think about this, even if the testosterone gives an unfair advantage, then you could just make the argument that originally being born a female is a disadvantage when competing against boys since she's just play catch up and her body still has limitations based on her birth

then we go into another situation where no one wins and we need a separate transgender werestling tournament

and so i'd just be better like this.
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Think I read an article on this earlier and he wanted to wrestle in the boys division but in the state of Texas you have to compete with the gender assigned by your birth certificate. So they brought this on themselves I guess.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya
So a woman that's accused of being born a man gets complained about fairness when she's winning women's races, and a man who was born a woman competes in women's sports gets complained about when he's winning. Seems like no matter whether it's the sex or gender of an athlete that determines who competes, there's always going to be sour grapes when a person who is or is perceived to be trans wins.
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redokami wrote:


gildiin wrote:

But the article you linked states the person in question was born female and competed in female wrestling. If they want to make testosterone a banned substance than sure I can see the point. Otherwise not sure what the point is.


The family of Mack Beggs has said he would rather be wrestling boys, but state policy calls for students to wrestle against the gender listed on their birth certificates.


yes, I did see that and still imo itgives a unfair advantage, even if its 1 percent
it should be a banned substance in cases like this


You can't have it all ways. "You have to use the bathroom of your allocated sex". "You have to wrestle in the category of the sex you are transitioning to".... Poor kid just want's to be who he want's to be.
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Posted 2/26/17 , edited 2/26/17
I saw that I was like what the fuck!

I mean of course that guy won ROFL. Unless he join female UFC His face will be on the ground! :p




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Lmao did you even read your own article before posting this?

It's a girl who wants to be a boy, competing against other girls.


She cheated :p, she taking med that making her a man!

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Doping is doping, doesn't matter what you're doing it for
I'd like to see how she'd fair against the boys team going all out
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gildiin wrote: Feels like you are trying to force it to be about transgender people when it should be about what substances should be allowed in sports.



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Doping is doping, doesn't matter what you're doing it for
I'd like to see how she'd fair against the boys team going all out


Looking at the side effects of testosterone treatment, they seem somewhat similar to those of anabolic steroids. It seems like one athlete is been allowed to compete in a doped like state against others in their natural state, the end result is not surprising with the existence of such controlled substance loophole.





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I think you people have a point when the chemical used to induce male physiques among other things are unfair. In any case, he was originally a female transitioning to male, and had to fight in the women's division, despite his apparent protests.

I think the honorable thing for him to do is to not wrestle at all in that case, though this doesn't mean his cause is any less legitimate.

In any case...well, what do you expect, Texas?

Though honestly? I rather would not see gender divisions in most sports.
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gildiin wrote:


redokami wrote:


gildiin wrote:

But the article you linked states the person in question was born female and competed in female wrestling. If they want to make testosterone a banned substance than sure I can see the point. Otherwise not sure what the point is.


The family of Mack Beggs has said he would rather be wrestling boys, but state policy calls for students to wrestle against the gender listed on their birth certificates.


yes, I did see that and still imo itgives a unfair advantage, even if its 1 percent
it should be a banned substance in cases like this


Well in that case it is an issue with what substances should be banned. Being transgender doesn't mean the person will undergo testosterone treatment nor does taking testosterone require a person to be transgender. Feels like you are trying to force it to be about transgender people when it should be about what substances should be allowed in sports.



Well, inevitably, I think it is a fair argument to make it about transgender laws, when many LGBT activists want Mack to be wrestling with the boys.
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