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It doesn't matter how few there are, its not fair to the other players. Also you just can't equate the disadvantages/advantages of being unfit or fit (supposedly due to socioeconomic status) to male/female body differences.


We're talking about things like disparate access to quality nutrition, healthcare, training, facilities, equipment, opportunities to rest and recover from injury or sickness, and opportunities to practice. You're really going to play down the importance of these factors for athletic performance? You're really going to ignore that these are disparate between athletes of the same natal sex and that natal female athletes can and have overcome the biological differences between themselves and their male counterparts?

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This is to say nothing of the impact of hormone replacement therapy and puberty delaying drugs on issues such as disparate bone and muscle density between natal female and transgender female athletes.
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We're talking about things like disparate access to quality nutrition, healthcare, training, facilities, equipment, opportunities to rest and recover from injury or sickness, and opportunities to practice. You're really going to play down the importance of these factors for athletic performance? You're really going to ignore that these are disparate between athletes of the same natal sex and that natal female athletes can and have overcome the biological differences between themselves and their male counterparts?


A few things:

1) You need to look more into world athletic records

2) You need to consider that this is scholastic sports and bell-curve averages matter

3) Biological reality matters

4) GID is a medically recognized mental disorder. You are, quite literally, pushing for the public at large to embrace and promote insanity.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/F64

A desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by a sense of discomfort with, or inappropriateness of, one's anatomic sex, and a wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make one's body as congruent as possible with one's preferred sex.
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BlueOni wrote:

We're talking about things like disparate access to quality nutrition, healthcare, training, facilities, equipment, opportunities to rest and recover from injury or sickness, and opportunities to practice. You're really going to play down the importance of these factors for athletic performance? You're really going to ignore that these are disparate between athletes of the same natal sex and that natal female athletes can and have overcome the biological differences between themselves and their male counterparts?


A few things:

1) You need to look more into world athletic records

2) You need to consider that this is scholastic sports and bell-curve averages matter

3) Biological reality matters

4) GID is a medically recognized mental disorder. You are, quite literally, pushing for the public at large to embrace and promote insanity.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/F64

A desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by a sense of discomfort with, or inappropriateness of, one's anatomic sex, and a wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make one's body as congruent as possible with one's preferred sex.


Please stop calling transgenderism insanity. I'm not going to try and get you to see the difference between transgenderism and gender dysphoria, but I would like to ask you to please stop saying insulting and false things like that. Even if transgenderism and gender dysphoria were the same thing (which they are not, but whatever) you would still be falsely equating mental illness to insanity and that is not okay.
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Lmao did you even read your own article before posting this?

It's a girl who wants to be a boy, competing against other girls.


The real answer is "no, I did not but I'll try to save face by making up shit because I refuse to admit that."


Pretty much. Either that or the title is clickbait.

Shame because there is an actual discussion to be had here still, it's just the OP seemed misinformed when creating the thread, or they just wanted to make it seem worse than it was.
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Even if transgenderism and gender dysphoria were the same thing (which they are not, but whatever)


Sounds like a whole bunch of semantics. And you're wrong.


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just wanted to make it seem worse than it was.


A child doping and doing competitions is a bit worse tbh lad. We don't trust kids to vote, drive, drink alcohol etc but we can somehow trust their judgement when they say they are a 'gender fluid demisexual' and need hormone shots or puberty blockers? Its child abuse.
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TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:


TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

Lmao did you even read your own article before posting this?

It's a girl who wants to be a boy, competing against other girls.


The real answer is "no, I did not but I'll try to save face by making up shit because I refuse to admit that."


Pretty much. Either that or the title is clickbait.

Shame because there is an actual discussion to be had here still, it's just the OP seemed misinformed when creating the thread, or they just wanted to make it seem worse than it was.


Look at the past threads of this user. It's becoming more difficult to figure out these days if someone is just trolling or if it's a genuine display of outright ignorance.
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A child doping and doing competitions is a bit worse tbh lad. We don't trust kids to vote, drive, drink alcohol etc but we can somehow trust their judgement when they say they are a 'gender fluid demisexual' and need hormone shots?


The title of the thread made me think that a Male who was transitioning to female was competing against females, since the thread title has literally no important context to it. Which is much worse than someone born a female, taking hormones, and then competing against other females. Not to say that isn't an unfair advantage, but the thread title just needs a lot more info than what's currently there.


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Look at the past threads of this user. It's becoming more difficult to figure out these days if someone is just trolling or if it's a genuine display of outright ignorance.


I think because of the constant posts by said user, it's much more likely to be the latter. This is the 2nd or 3rd time I had to remind her to read the actual article she was reading(which even if she did, she didn't provide any context...most likely for mischievous reasons).
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A few things:

1) You need to look more into world athletic records


Show me.


2) You need to consider that this is scholastic sports and bell-curve averages matter


My opinion is what it is after having done so already.


3) Biological reality matters


Transgender people are part of biological reality.


4) GID is a medically recognized mental disorder. You are, quite literally, pushing for the public at large to embrace and promote insanity.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/F64

A desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by a sense of discomfort with, or inappropriateness of, one's anatomic sex, and a wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make one's body as congruent as possible with one's preferred sex.


The ICD-10 is outdated and due to be replaced by the ICD-11 soon, and this specific item is at issue in the reviewing and drafting processes. Meanwhile, the APA has already revised its own diagnostic manual to put emphasis on the actual problem at issue, specifically clinically significant discomfort (dysphoria). The recommended treatment for transgender peoples' "insanity" (the dysphoria) is, based upon the findings of these professionals and whether one is using the ICD-10's description of the issue or not, for the patient to undergo a controlled transition toward alignment with their expressed gender identification and for society to embrace and support them in their expressed gender identity.

During the APA's review of the matter for the DSM the issues concerning whether to retain a diagnosis at all primarily concerned whether retention would unduly contribute to stigma against transgender people (they're talking about your reading of their diagnostic manuals) and whether exclusion would unduly negatively impact access to recommended healthcare (i.e. insurance companies declining to include coverage for mental health services, hormonal therapies, and surgeries on the grounds that they're not medically necessary).
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3) Biological reality matters


Transgender people are part of biological reality.




Which is male and which is female?
Also protip: There are no transgender skellingtons
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How is helping people who have mental disorders have a happy life (regardless of what those disorders are), promoting and embracing insanity?

PS: Mental disorder =/= Insanity
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Which is male and which is female?
Also protip: There are no transgender skellingtons


The one on the left's got BOO-TAY!
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How is helping people who have mental disorders have a happy life (regardless of what those disorders are), promoting and embracing insanity?

PS: Mental disorder =/= Insanity


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAEmoLcoAqw
And people like this? I mean, it is their body after all.
The only way she could be happy is by having herself permanently blinded
Would you support doctors performing procedures to make physically healthy people disabled if they are unhappy with their body?
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Which is male and which is female?
Also protip: There are no transgender skellingtons


I would concern myself less with pelvic structure and more with things like receptor gene polymorphisms, but thanks for the "pro" tip.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282%2807%2901228-9/fulltext
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

How is helping people who have mental disorders have a happy life (regardless of what those disorders are), promoting and embracing insanity?

PS: Mental disorder =/= Insanity


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAEmoLcoAqw
And people like this? I mean, it is their body after all.
The only way she could be happy is by having herself permanently blinded
Would you support doctors performing procedures to make physically healthy people disabled if they are unhappy with their body?


You should know as well as anyone that such a thing isn't comparable to transgenderism (as being transgendered has a solid biological basis and to my knowledge, the urge to self harm does not). However, what this woman should receive is counseling to identify the psychological root of the issue and to identify a route of treatment to help her achieve a healthy life. I do think that this is a more complicated issue because it is one that comes between physical and mental health while transgender-ism does not so I would leave that decision up to the professionals. I do not believe that my opinion matters in such a situation.
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Ejanss wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


Which is male and which is female?
Also protip: There are no transgender skellingtons


The one on the left's got BOO-TAY!


I don't know which is which, but I got a bone-r either way.
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