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Posted 2/27/17 , edited 2/27/17
So I don't know if i'm allowed to ask this question on Crunchyroll's forums but considering how many different topics are on this site I figured I might as well ask the question.

What's wrong with Suicide? It seems like instead of believing that people have the right to do what they want, people generally are against the idea entirely, and they will go out of their way(even to the point of making someone feel guilty if they have to) in order to stop someone from committing or thinking about it.

I'm not saying i'm for or against it. I just want to know other people's opinions.

So, what's wrong with suicide?
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Posted 2/27/17 , edited 3/11/17
It's for kids
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Generally speaking people make rash decisions based on spur of the moment events. Considering suicide is a decision that ends your own life people try to talk people out of it because oh it usually being spontaneous. Another reason is because people who are really into religion goes against their moral values so they tend to try to have the person fulfill their life within their moral code. On a side note people who generally commit suicide are on the younger side and don't really have a general grasp on life, which falls into the first point made.
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There are probably so many different viewpoints surrounding this it would be time consuming to put them all in to a measly response but obviously a loss of a life is considered a big deal.

Religious people who follow the belief that "life is sacred" and the "body is a temple" would find suicide a sin and against God, as you are not following his will and disrespecting his gifts.

Some people know someone who was lost to suicide which is clearly devastating.

I personally find it a personal choice, I agree with assisted suicide if the person cannot bare to live any more. But mental illness is also crippling, and the person themselves are usually incredibly aware of how much of a deal it is.
Generally the opinions of suicide sort of don't matter on whether one commits, moreso the care (or lack of) of those around them, I guess.
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This is a hard one to make because I didn't know whether or not I should make a long post rambling about why i've never felt that any argument against it was entirely credible, or let the thread sort itself out.

I think i'll do the latter just at a later time. It's just really time consuming to put into words why I think every argument against it(save from 2 somewhat credible ones) are pretty bad to begin with.
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Suicide is not something you can take back. If you were feeling really down or depressed one day, you might think life for you is over. You could decide to kill yourself, but if you did you would be giving up on hope for the future. I guess I am a person who has hope for the future.
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oh god red flags everybody!

I can only say for myself though, as an atheist there is only one life, one life that is meant to be enjoyed on some level, to end your own life would mean to deny yourself that enjoyment, not to mention play hell on someone who actually cared about you.

if you choose to take your own life, you just might be afraid of what real suffering is, and avoiding it before you know what it's like .
I am of course talking about "you" as the general person and someone non-specific
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Depends entirely on the circumstance.

The most common form of suicide is driven through depression. Which is most often seen as 'a permanent solution to a temporary problem'. The family and other loved ones of a suicide victim are left with a hole in their lives they may not have understood in the first place. And even for complete strangers that never interacted with the person, it can be pretty disturbing and sad when someone simply gives up on life like that. There is therapy and medication to help manage depression and generally improve the quality of life of that person rather than end it.

Then there's euthanasia, which is a highly controversial form of suicide in which a terminally ill person chooses to end their life prematurely rather than suffer through the ravages of disease. There's the issue of medically assisted suicide which is at odds with the Hippocratic Oath licensed doctors take which carries the expectation of 'do no harm' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath . For some families the planned nature may feel like a blessing, for others it may not, and of course even within families opinions may vary.

There's also what's often seen as the 'heroic sacrifice' which is effectively suicide in an effort to save others. The obvious real world version being jumping on a grenade to save fellow soldiers. It's probably the least controversial form of suicide as there is typically a hostile action at work that would otherwise take the lives of more than just the one person.

There are a mix of religious and secular values surrounding suicide which mark it as a sin against God, family, and/or society at large. The general idea behind most is that life is a finite resource that should be used wisely and with care for those around you, which suicide is often seen to squander when it is out of personal despair.
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Posted 2/27/17 , edited 3/12/17
It ends your life, and ruins your loved ones' too. Nough said.
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omlettespammer wrote:
oh god red flags everybody!


I'm just asking a question


fluffytailz3000 wrote:

It ends your life, and ruins your loved ones' too. Nough said.


Actually that's not enough said. If these loved ones don't appreciate you than why should you do the same for them? That's more so a hypothetical. But shouldn't you also be allowed to do what you want with your body?

I hear a lot of people bring up the idea that it's selfish or it hurts your loved ones to commit suicide however I don't really understand this argument because when people don't want you to kill yourself they generally don't want it to happen so that they don't feel bad emotionally. In other words, they're doing it for their own motives and their own reasons, the difference is that it's usually just a larger percentage of people sharing the opinion rather than just one person.

For instance if a friend tells you not to kill yourself, they are most likely doing it from a place of emotional dependence and personal need. They might talk all day about how they are doing this for you, but at the very least what makes them care in the first place is their own motives and emotions. It's still their own desire, even if other people you know hold that same value. So how is that any different?
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Personally; I wouldn't say I'm entirely against suicide under certain circumstance. Assisted suicide can be an act of compassionate mercy to someone whose existence is nigh but constant suffering and unbearable pain, and for some who face a guaranteed death anyway; it can be a way to take control of a literally uncontrollable situation- going out on your own terms n' such.

I have a lot of experience with suicide on both ends, sadly. I've been the one to cut the rope, and I've had to pick pieces of someone I love out of my hair. I can tell you that it's a horrible thing to go through and experience. I've found myself at that precipice on more than one occasion as well; honestly within the past few months I had come desperately close to slipping over that edge when I was in a terrible depression. Thankfully someone who saw me looming there managed to pull me back. I'm eternally grateful for those who have held their hand out to me when they did and kept me from doing something that I couldn't undo. Like was said above; it's oft a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I could get back on my feet, but I sure as hell can't pull birdshot back out of my face.

I'm not religious, and the world is bristling with humans in the billions- so the sin and sacred life stuff doesn't mean much of anything to me. What I would say is 'wrong' with suicide is that the majority of the time the ripple of damage spreads far beyond the individual. Family, friends, even people you didn't realize took note of you- it can do immense damage to them emotionally and psychologically. In a worst case scenario; it can cause a domino effect- which in turn causes more ripples, so on and so forth. I believe we as human beings are often rather self centered when it comes to suicide, because(in the case of extreme depression) we feel so alone that we don't bother to consider that people are all around us; we're too enamored with our own pain. We're the protagonist of our lives and we're tired of what we're doing and want to stop.

There's the old chan post that I actually thought was a relatively good stance on suicide- that if you want to die; just go and live an extreme life. Go punch a shark in the face, ski black diamonds, race cars, base jump and sky dive- if you are going to die anyway, why not try to die by living?
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omlettespammer wrote:
oh god red flags everybody!


I'm just asking a question


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A lot of people who commit suicide strongly effect, and sometimes completely ruin the lives of family, loved ones, or even close acquaintances in thier life who live on after they have died. Imagine trying to help your child, who is struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts for years, only for them to end up killing themselves anyway.

I have faced suicidal thoughts many times, and the only thing that keeps me from taking that final step, almost always, is thinking about how my parents, little brother, boyfriend, etc. will feel.

From the individual's perspective, suicide is not wrong, even right in some cases. It is WRONG OVERALL if it effects others around or close to you in a negative way. Whether it truly was 'for the best' or not.
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Suicide is just quitting before the game is over come on...no one likes a Gaston.
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