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I've been watching this all morning and some of yesterday. Initially, and I LOVE the Nanoha series, all of it - but Initially I didn't like StrikerS as much. I don't hate it, far from it - but it receives a lot of hate for being a little different, but that's to be expected. It takes place something like 10 years AFTER the first two seasons, so Nanoha is 9 years old in the original two seasons, and she's 19 in Strikers. Now with Vivid - she's about 25 years old? If I'm remembering the numbers right? It's very rare for an anime series to span that many years between it's seasons and still have character development.

So anyway, in re-watching StrikerS I'm LOVING it. I'm not sure why I wasn't invested in it the first time, maybe "difference syndrome" - but it's great how they keep evolving and adding to the characters that have been established prior, introduce new ones and flesh out their connections to the previous season's characters - and how the series continues to evolve the way it has. Just watched the part where


Nanoha has some stuff that isn't present in a lot of the newer anime, and I'd love to see a continuation of Vivid - because Vivid isn't nearly as "life or death" as the other 3 seasons, and since I don't read Manga I don't KNOW this - but it seems like the next season of Nanoha Vivid would be when things go from a friendly "magic tournament" to some disaster. You can see hints at the set-up for that in Vivid, given the background of Einhart Stratos and Vivio being artificial reincarnations of powerful mages / royalty from the ancient past.

I'll be terribly disappointed if they don't make more Nanoha. How many anime can you say span something like 15 years and continue good character development, while actually giving reasons for the difference between the societies and the "way things work" between the series. Honestly, StrikerS is more military in the world it takes place in - but that's because they're not on Earth like in the first 2 seasons, they're in Midchilda - which administers dimensional space - so it's going to be that way.

The lore is great in this series guys, and the art style and combat are fantastic. I mean come on now, look at it! I love the art direction and the action is top notch! Combine that with deep character development and lore



If you have not heard of it or watched it - go watch the series and/or the movies. Or all of it. The movies are gorgeous, but the entire series artistic direction I LOVE
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Lol, evidently not many people have watched the series or care for it. I was hoping for some opinions on the series, but I guess it can't be helped if people have not seen it.
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VeggyZ wrote:

Lol, evidently not many people have watched the series or care for it. I was hoping for some opinions on the series, but I guess it can't be helped if people have not seen it.

Since it showed up on Amazon Prime recently I have been watching it. I just watched the original series and A's as well. So far, StrikerS hasn't grabbed me as much at the beginning but I will finish it... I can add some opinions once I finish it.

Need to do a proper rewatch of Vivid Strike as well since Prime wasn't available to me until this year.
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So far, i've only watched Vivid Strike and it was good one. Maybe someday i watched the other ones?
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absolutely love the Nanoha series. can't wait for the 3rd movie.
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Honestly my favorite is either the first or second season, I can't quite decide between the two - but what I appreciate so much about StrikerS is that, after a 10 year time gap, they add quite a few characters, good and bad, while giving the good ones decent character development - and even carry some of the antagonists over into Vivid which is what, 5 or so more years later? Like Nove? She's one of the bad guys in StrikerS and you don't really get much more than her impulsive personality to go off of - and her origins obviously, but I absolutely love that they carried her over to Vivid and has her instructing Vivio and her friends in martial arts and magic.

I think a big reason a lotta people don't know Nanoha is that it isn't on Crunchyroll and this is one of the only places besides BakaBT where I post on forums at all, haha...

I have a lot of respect for the series, and I never really thought I'd have much respect for a Mahou Shoujo anime, haha. I did like Madoka, and it was interesting, but something about the character interactions in the whole Nanoha series keeps me into it. Their personalities stay on course, that and the plot turns out to be very serious in each of them except Vivid (so far) - I never expected it when I started watching, to get into things like human experimentation and artificial life, memory uh... inheritance? whatever they call it that Einhart and Vivio kinda have in Vivid. There's really a lot of background, that I'm only noticing now that I've gone back and watched them all in succession.

Must recommend to those who have not though, at LEAST watch the two movies that are currently out - sums up the first two seasons (though you're missing a lot, tbh) and it's beautiful eye-candy. Bright colors and pretty designs and fast action and all that. Do watch them in HD - it's worthy of your file sizes or loading time or however you like get the job done, well worth it.


aidenraine wrote:

absolutely love the Nanoha series. can't wait for the 3rd movie.


Yeah, I hear it's going to be different from the first two, and not so much a re-hash of a season. With the things they've done thus far, I'd say I'm definitely looking forward to it! I just hope we see it, there's been some trouble in the works from what I hear, in new seasons and movies, but I can't say I've looked into the specifics. I'll be all over that when it comes out though!


hpulley wrote:

Since it showed up on Amazon Prime recently I have been watching it. I just watched the original series and A's as well. So far, StrikerS hasn't grabbed me as much at the beginning but I will finish it... I can add some opinions once I finish it.

Need to do a proper rewatch of Vivid Strike as well since Prime wasn't available to me until this year.


With StrikerS ... they introduce too much, is almost how I feel. Too many characters, but it works out in the end - and I love how Nanoha uh... strikes the finishing... blow... against one of the antagonists. Since you're not done with it, I won't spoil it, but it's about as classic Nanoha as it gets with her ... city destroying and all that kinda over the top stuff.
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I believe the problem was some people came for the faux-magical girl setup the original played at, but then the franchise became more of an action show. StrikerS has more in common with a classic giant robot show, and that season even pays homages, quite a few, to this connection.

The jump from pretending to be one genre into being openly a different genre entirely is likely what causes the divide.

The movies have been good.

As to direct criticism against StrikerS we have a series 2 cours long than tell a lot less story and a lot less characterization over the same amount of time. The new characters aren't as interesting as the main team, and by the end the new people they spend building up which we aren't too invested in are overshadowed as the previous cast finally assert themselves.

Frankly when I tell people about the series I tell them you can watch the first two seasons and stop. Even then the first season doesn't hold up as much as A's.
Posted 3/2/17

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Honestly my favorite is either the first or second season, I can't quite decide between the two - but what I appreciate so much about StrikerS is that, after a 10 year time gap, they add quite a few characters, good and bad, while giving the good ones decent character development - and even carry some of the bad guy over into Vivid which is what, 5 or so more years later? Like Nove? She's one of the bad guys in StrikerS and you don't really get much more than her impulsive personality to go off of - and her origins obviously, but I absolutely love that they carried her over to Vivid and has her instructing Vivio and her friends in martial arts and magic.

my favorite is definitely A's. I think the story and execution were done better than the first series, and it's definitely a lot larger in scale.

I honestly get confused in ViVid and ViVid Strike! I just find it way too hard to keep track of all the various "befriended" from the end of StrikerS.

I think a big reason a lotta people don't know Nanoha is that it isn't on Crunchyroll and this is one of the only places besides BakaBT where I post on forums at all, haha...

the main reason it's so unknown is probably it's also only available legally on Amazon Strike, and before then, you could only find it on torrent sites. the first 2 seasons may have been licenced for US distribution by Geneon, but they folded pretty soon after, so they never really got a lot of traction for the series.

I have a lot of respect for the series, and I never really thought I'd have much respect for a Mahou Shoujo anime, haha. I did like Madoka, and it was interesting, but something about the character interactions in the whole Nanoha series keeps me into it. Their personalities stay on course, that and the plot turns out to be very serious in each of them except Vivid (so far) - I never expected it when I started watching, to get into things like human experimentation and artificial life, memory uh... whatever they call it that Einhart and Vivio kinda have in Vivid. There's really a lot of background, that I'm only noticing now that I've gone back and watched them all in succession.

one thing I always say about Nanoha is that it's really a sci-fi action series in the guise of a mahou shoujo. it's a pretty big departure from the standard tropes of the mahou shoujo genre from the second half of the first season onward. the themes are also more mature and rather dark, and the fights resemble something more along the lines of Gundam than your standard mahou shoujo.

Must recommend to those who have not though, at LEAST watch the two movies that are currently out - sums up the first two seasons (though you're missing a lot, tbh) and it's beautiful eye-candy. Bright colors and pretty designs and fast action and all that. Do watch them in HD - it's worthy of your file sizes or loading time or however you like get the job done, well worth it.

the movies were pretty great, and I would recommend at least watching them to those who haven't. though, I would recommend the A's TV over the A's movie. the movie feels like it was rushed, and there was a lot of the story that was cut because of the movie runtime.


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absolutely love the Nanoha series. can't wait for the 3rd movie.

Yeah, I hear it's going to be different from the first two, and not so much a re-hash of a season. With the things they've done thus far, I'd say I'm definitely looking forward to it! I just hope we see it, there's been some trouble in the works from what I hear, in new seasons and movies, but I can't say I've looked into the specifics. I'll be all over that when it comes out though!

well, 3 has already been confirmed for this year... so hopefully it comes out

if it doesn't, I'll be pissed
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I think the best hope of the 3rd movie is it opens up the chance to tell more stories before the cast bloats. instead of the trend of making successive sequels further and further down the timeline.

And for a movie to tell a movie-sized story instead of trying to condense a season.
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aidenraine wrote:
the movies were pretty great, and I would recommend at least watching them to those who haven't. though, I would recommend the A's TV over the A's movie. the movie feels like it was rushed, and there was a lot of the story that was cut because of the movie runtime.


A's had a lot more complexity than the original, but both movies are well worth the time. The story behind Fate and her Mother definitely has some impact, tugged at my heart strings, but if I had to pick only one of those movies I'd pick A's too. Vita kicking the crap out of Nanoha at the start is just too badass... still it's definitely worth watching the seasons, there's so much more to take in than it seems with plots like these, it's tough to squeeze it into even a long movie and keep the full emotional impact.

With StrikerS I didn't really remember the characters well the first time around, there were WAY too many added at once - but with a re-watch I'm kinda more like "oh, it's that chick in Vivid". Re-watches are often more enjoyable than the first time with anime like this.


aidenraine wrote:
well, 3 has already been confirmed for this year... so hopefully it comes out

if it doesn't, I'll be pissed


Yeah silly me, just found that out while I was surfing around this morning before going to work, saw the hype trailer. It worked, I'm hyped about it, if the first two movies quality are anything to go by, it'll be like christmas for me. I don't keep up with release schedules and stuff, I don't know if I'm too busy or too lazy, but that's okay because I get pleasantly surprised like this.


H_Guderian wrote:

I think the best hope of the 3rd movie is it opens up the chance to tell more stories before the cast bloats. instead of the trend of making successive sequels further and further down the timeline.

And for a movie to tell a movie-sized story instead of trying to condense a season.


I'd be all for that, to be honest the cast has been bloating since StrikerS, though I do disagree with the opinion of some people on at least some of the characters in StrikerS and Vivid - some are more interesting than others, but it's definitely got a little too much ... I want to coin the term "Naruto-ing" here, going on.

With the lore and backstory so far, though, surrounding Midchilda and Velka (Belka? whatever) and the whole Al-Hazard thing we still don't know all that much about, there's certainly room to create some interesting stories if they stick with the cast they've developed until now, instead of piling on too many new characters.

One of the things StrikerS did best - was kill off half of the bad guys they introduced. Imagine if they had carried them all over to Vivid.

PS: Also a huge fan of the soundtracks of these, especially the soundtrack in the first movie. But honestly, some of my favorite anime soundtracks are in the Nanoha franchise.
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