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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBl2l76fp0w

It's a lot to digest, and reportedly, it's only gonna get worse. Before this turns into an Obama vs. Trump thread lets get the elephant out of the room. Both parties bear fault here, one more than the other. (Obama in my opinion). At the end of the day though what we have is a CIA that is operating in a way where it thinks that by making all of us less safe it is gaining the ability to protect us. This is a distinction that needs to be made because whether you like the CIA or not I don't think it is fair to say that they are actively trying to harm us. -- It looks more like an over protective parent who wants to box us up but doesn't realize that it only hurts us all in the end.

I'm a bit disappointed that government institutions in the united states have become so cowardly. The job is hard but it was never meant to be easy. There shouldn't be absolute control. Only people that work hard to the best of their abilities without overstepping their boundaries for the future of the American people. To treat everyone as an enemy? Our institutions should not under any circumstances treat us as something small for the greater good. Burning down a forest to make sure a panther doesn't walk into a village is a stupid and reckless reality.

You may or may not agree politically with the previous and the current administration but under no circumstance should you allow yourself to be fenced in by it under false pretenses.

This is a big deal guys.
Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17
I've said several times on here never to trust guys that give money and guns and training to terrorists.
Is it time to burn all our electronics and go innawoods yet?
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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/8/17

This stuff is silly.

The DLL injection stuff in the CIA leaks should embarrass the CIA. If you're calibrating your defenses based on the idea that application programs on Windows and OS X can defend against malware, you're playing to lose.

Here's the rootkits track from Black Hat 2008 --- keep in mind that this is almost a decade old and that it's public work:

* Deeper Door: Exploiting NIC Chipsets
* A New Breed of Rootkit: The System Management Mode Rootkit
* Insane Detection of Insane Rootkits
* Crafting OS X Kernel Rootkits
* Viral Infections on Cisco IOS
* Detecting And Preventing Xen Hypervisor Subversions
* Bluepilling (implementing a hypervisor rootkit) The Xen Hypervisor

This is just one year's work. If you summed all of it together, you're talking ~2.5 FTEs across 7 different research projects which we will very generously assume took a full year to develop (spoiler: no, none of them did). People who can write hypervisor rootkits command a pretty decent salary, but it's not 2x the prevailing SFBA senior salary. So this is at most mid-single-digit millions worth of work.

I don't know why the CIA has this team of people bumbling around with DLL injectors and AV bypasses. Maybe it's some weird turf thing they're doing against NSA? But the stuff in the CIA leaks is not the standard you need to be protecting yourself against.

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13824032

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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17
makes me kinda glad I have a horrible phone from before the smartphone era.
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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17
This is not a Fallout thread about a new game?

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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17

Hairbelly wrote:
I don't know why the CIA has this team of people bumbling around with DLL injectors and AV bypasses. Maybe it's some weird turf thing they're doing against NSA? But the stuff in the CIA leaks is not the standard you need to be protecting yourself against.


I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure what you just said, but it sounds like you're saying the stuff in the CIA leaks is either A) out of date or B ) impractical, or at least highly unorthodox. Could you clarify for us laymen?
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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17

Mishio1 wrote:

Could you clarify for us laymen?

What was released is technically not that amazing. Clumsy, rudimentary, and impractical. DLL injections are dumb:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLL_injection

However, that doesn't negate the horrifying fact that:

a.) This is probably the minor stuff and the shit will hit the fan in later Wikileak releases.
b.) The constant circumvention of the U.S. Constitution by the CIA (worrisome).

The recent Wikileaks release is more legally and philosophically troubling than technically.

That's all.

IMO, YMMV.
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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17

Hairbelly wrote:

What was released is technically not that amazing. Clumsy, rudimentary, and impractical. DLL injections are dumb:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLL_injection

However, that doesn't negate the horrifying fact that:

a.) This is probably the minor stuff and the shit will hit the fan in later Wikileak releases.
b.) The constant circumvention of the U.S. Constitution by the CIA (worrisome).

The recent Wikileaks release is more legally and philosophically troubling than technically.

That's all.

IMO, YMMV.


Okay, thank you for your input.
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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17
Still not scared.
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Posted 3/8/17 , edited 3/11/17

Mishio1 wrote:

Okay, thank you for your input.

Btw, I didn't write the original. "tptacek" is the author. I messed up on the link & quote when I posted (fixed). I am part of the Hacker News discussion further down as security is part of my background and I generally agree with tptacek's thoughts on this (which is rare).
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/11/17
It doesn't help that everything they were doing was all on Obama's orders.
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/11/17
Ugh. I mean, it's the CIA so I'm not that shocked. But this is all bad on so many levels. Not just what the CIA is up to itself, but the leaking of all of the CIA's tools and methods, the timing and source of the leak, the potential weakening of the US government's already pretty shitty cyber-security, so on and so forth.

Wikileaks doesn't do anything out of the noble good of it's heart either. We need to question not just the CIA on the contents of the leak, but the leak itself and the timing of it. Coming as it does in a time when the administration has been actively attacking the judicial branch and has a lot of heat on it for various reasons.

Yet further destabilizing of the public trust in government institutions can't end well.
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/11/17

keeton52 wrote:
It doesn't help that everything they were doing was all on Obama's orders.


The President ( any president, Obama, Bush, even Trump ) doesn't have that fine of a control over the CIA. The CIA is capable of doing quite a bit without the president's sign off. For better or for worse. We learned that quite well during the Bush administration for example. The CIA can't up and launch a drone strike without the president's approval but they also don't need to check in with him about developing surveillance tools or performing day to day covert intelligence either.

I mean, we already got a historical lesson on what happens when the President personally steers intelligence agencies. >.>
Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/11/17

runec wrote:

The CIA can't up and launch a drone strike without the president's approval



The shitshow in syria seems to suggest they have free reign to pretty much do whatever they want.
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Posted 3/9/17
Honestly I expected this doesn't mean I condone or want it but it was to be expected that they would do this and probably far worse America are just as shady as their rivals lack for a better word no organisation or country has clean hands but yeah it's the world we live in and only people can refuse to except it but that won't change anything it will just mean they do it in a different way that's the world for you... it will only make them feel that their power is under threat as Amyas_Leigh said they aren't to be trusted. The president is probably just like the British Monarchy.
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