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the cia i would say needs to be thoroughly remade too much secret policing over the general public and as well as spreading chaos in other parts of the world some of the place likely didn't even need outside intervention for sparks to fly the cia just made it worse for those places from my understanding. sure countries need organizations that deal with information warfare and such but not when its abused like the cia seems to do.
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[. . . .] We need to question not just the CIA on the contents of the leak, but the leak itself and the timing of it. Coming as it does in a time when the administration has been actively attacking the judicial branch and has a lot of heat on it for various reasons.


Not sure why that surprises you. Allegations of wiretapping in the public's attention is a good opportunity to reveal CIA surveillance no matter what their agenda is, unless their plan is have no one read their releases.

If Wikileaks' motive is to "open governments" like they say, then it's pretty consistent to point out that someone is not wrongly bashing overreach, even if it's Trump doing the bashing. The fact that so many people are interested in what he's bashing just makes it more likely that Wikileaks will go with the strategy of piggybacking releases on his twitter grumblings.
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Not sure why that surprises you. Allegations of wiretapping in the public's attention is a good opportunity to reveal CIA surveillance no matter what their agenda is, unless their plan is have no one read their releases.


I'm not surprised by what the CIA is up too. I mean, it's the CIA after all. It's just Wikileak's motives have been suspect for quite some time and this could further damage public trust. Which is the MO of Russia's hybrid warfare approach to media manipulation in other countries. Now, I don't think anyone could have predicted Trump would do something so stupid as to accuse a former president. So I think this is certainly a matter of not looking a gift horse in the mouth for Wikileaks, but still.

I'm just saying that the damage fallout from this is potentially much broader then it appears and we can't let the contents themselves distract us from keeping an eye on the motivations behind the leak itself. If your goal was to undermine public trust in the foundations of democracy ( as it is for one country in particular ) then Trump is basically the gift that keeps on giving.


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It is bad that the CIA, NSA, and such are spying on us, behaving unconstitutionally, etc.; it is also bad that we are learning about it through intelligence leaks. It's a bad model for fixing things. I really can't help but keep saying that this is all-around bad. I'm not sure what can be done to fix it.

I do think the idea that these things "undermine trust in our political institutions" is no longer relevant. Both political parties are now openly authoritarian; I don't know how many people actually believe in our political institutions anymore. I definitely don't.
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https://apnews.com/19cd7a1693c4483b97b0ef83f9679102?


PARIS (AP) — WikiLeaks will work with technology companies to help defend them against the Central Intelligence Agency's hacking tools, founder Julian Assange said Thursday, an approach which sets up a potential conflict between Silicon Valley firms eager to protect their products and an agency stung by the radical transparency group's disclosures.


None of this is going to end well on any front.



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It is bad that the CIA, NSA, and such are spying on us, behaving unconstitutionally, etc.; it is also bad that we are learning about it through intelligence leaks. It's a bad model for fixing things. I really can't help but keep saying that this is all-around bad. I'm not sure what can be done to fix it.

I do think the idea that these things "undermine trust in our political institutions" is no longer relevant. Both political parties are now openly authoritarian; I don't know how many people actually believe in our political institutions anymore. I definitely don't.


All around bad was my general point, yes. When I refer to undermining trust in institutions though I'm pointing to the Kremlin playbook on hybrid warfare. For all the griping and bitching about government it still functions because people do, on some level, trust it to operate on a day to day basis. This is particularly integral to democracies. The state of US media and Trump's general behaviour are two of the foremost threats to this public trust right now.

Undermining trust in intelligence agencies and/or the judicial branch weakens one of the checks and balances on executive power. Trump has been slamming the intelligence community for a while now. If they in turn do dig up anything really bad on Trump and Russia, or Trump and his businesses, they'll be a segment of the population that will blindly follow the tangerine no matter what external evidence is presented or how grievous his behaviour becomes.

Thus is the danger of having a patently unqualified populist in an area of disinformation and media polarization.

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http://thehill.com/policy/international/323127-brexit-leader-visits-ecuadorian-embassy-where-wikileaks-founder-is


A British politician who has emerged as a close ally of President Trump on Thursday visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where embattled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is living, BuzzFeed News reported.

Nigel Farage, the former United Kingdom Independence Party leader and a top advocate for Britain's exit from the European Union, reportedly spent about 40 minutes at the embassy.

He told BuzzFeed News as he was leaving that he could not remember what he was doing there and refused to answer questions on whether he had met with Assange.


Oh come the fuck on, Nigel.
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/323127-brexit-leader-visits-ecuadorian-embassy-where-wikileaks-founder-is


A British politician who has emerged as a close ally of President Trump on Thursday visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where embattled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is living, BuzzFeed News reported.

Nigel Farage, the former United Kingdom Independence Party leader and a top advocate for Britain's exit from the European Union, reportedly spent about 40 minutes at the embassy.

He told BuzzFeed News as he was leaving that he could not remember what he was doing there and refused to answer questions on whether he had met with Assange.


Oh come the fuck on, Nigel.


I wonder what he said, if anything important.
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/323127-brexit-leader-visits-ecuadorian-embassy-where-wikileaks-founder-is


A British politician who has emerged as a close ally of President Trump on Thursday visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where embattled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is living, BuzzFeed News reported.

Nigel Farage, the former United Kingdom Independence Party leader and a top advocate for Britain's exit from the European Union, reportedly spent about 40 minutes at the embassy.

He told BuzzFeed News as he was leaving that he could not remember what he was doing there and refused to answer questions on whether he had met with Assange.


Oh come the fuck on, Nigel.


The Ecuadorians WIPED HIS BRAIN!!!!!

Who knew that Nigel Farage was secretly the Manchurian Candidate for Ecuador. This revelation will surely set Ecuador's plan for global domination back. I wonder who else they have set up? Darrell Castle? Oriol Junqueras?
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>cia spying on people
>everyone is surprised
Like lmao, it's really nothing people already didn't know about, now there is just actual documents to prove it. Next people are gonna be suprised the NSA has supercomputers that can predict if you're a threat or not by analyzing your activity and making a personality profile
Posted 3/10/17

runec wrote:

http://thehill.com/policy/international/323127-brexit-leader-visits-ecuadorian-embassy-where-wikileaks-founder-is


A British politician who has emerged as a close ally of President Trump on Thursday visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where embattled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is living, BuzzFeed News reported.

Nigel Farage, the former United Kingdom Independence Party leader and a top advocate for Britain's exit from the European Union, reportedly spent about 40 minutes at the embassy.

He told BuzzFeed News as he was leaving that he could not remember what he was doing there and refused to answer questions on whether he had met with Assange.


Oh come the fuck on, Nigel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mIgGFLH0Q

I love this guy so much
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This is not a Fallout thread about a new game?



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What I'm interested in is the fact that Wikileaks is now doing what the intelligence agencies were supposed to be doing, sharing hacking techniques and countermeasures with the US tech industry. As with any kind of conflict the sword always advances faster than the shield. Like building a machine gun to attack and a brick wall to defend, might not hold up forever but at least its something.

The way the CIA ran it they deliberately kept the domestic tech industry in the dark so that they could undermine it themselves at their discretion. It's like building a railgun, building a plywood shed to protect your stuff, and then pointing that railgun at the shed in the off chance somebody tries to rob it.

It's sloppy and remarkably short sighted, but I can forgive all of that if they would just give me a job in the CIA's meme warfare center. I feel I may finally have a skill set with which I can serve my country. If only I had known sooner...so many wasted years at college when I should have been exploring dank memes.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

This is not a Fallout thread about a new game?



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I've said several times on here never to trust guys that give money and guns and training to terrorists.
Is it time to burn all our electronics and go innawoods yet?


Agreed. "Moderate rebel" my ass.
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runec wrote:

http://thehill.com/policy/international/323127-brexit-leader-visits-ecuadorian-embassy-where-wikileaks-founder-is


A British politician who has emerged as a close ally of President Trump on Thursday visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where embattled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is living, BuzzFeed News reported.

Nigel Farage, the former United Kingdom Independence Party leader and a top advocate for Britain's exit from the European Union, reportedly spent about 40 minutes at the embassy.

He told BuzzFeed News as he was leaving that he could not remember what he was doing there and refused to answer questions on whether he had met with Assange.


Oh come the fuck on, Nigel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mIgGFLH0Q

I love this guy so much


WAKEY WAKEY!!!

Seriously though, watch some videos of him in Parliament. The man is HILLARIOUS!
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Lol who cares? The whole world is fucked anyway and soon enough, extinction will happen.

In the mean time, back to watching anime, eating dorito's and drinking Mountain Dew.
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