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Legislation to give ISP's complete freedom to sell browsing data is being considered.
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/9/17
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

We've had discussions about privacy on the Internet before, but they have mostly focused on governments and law enforcement. I just read this article and I feel it is worth discussing. People often say that you should expect no privacy on the Internet, but I feel that only reasonably extends to things you do in "public" spaces---like posting here on Crunchyroll for example. The idea that consumers need to pay twice--once with their money and again with their usage data--is completely ridiculous. ISP's should not have unlimited power to collect and sell usage data. The internet is used for many things both public and private, and it is morally wrong to erode privacy in this way.
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Yeah, unless I'm seriously misunderstanding something, this new legislation sucks. Not sure what else to say about it.
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Information is the most valuable commodity these days...
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And people called me paranoid for using a VPN for normal web browsing.
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http://www.flake.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/op-eds?ID=8CE124FD-0E25-4702-8CF0-AB5B31AF4953

Here's an op-ed from the Wall Street Journal stating his reasons for the bill. I'd link the Wall Street article but it requires a subscription so I don't have access to it.

I don't personally see what he's trying to accomplish. Unless his goal is to help out advertising companies. If the idea is to protect the consumer, then why does he want to rollback the FCC regulation? It doesn't really seem like the consumer is on his mind to me.
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Well, SOMEONE is going to learn a lot of new words I guess!

Oh god I am laughing thinking about the face of someone who would be looking at my browsing history. The poor, poor guy. My curiosity takes me to odd places...
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Welp, the key to this, is not giving a shit. People will see the mass amount of a certain thing that I browse and I'll just laugh it off.
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SandyNewt wrote:

Information is the most valuable commodity these days...


Only because they stopped selling people openly (went to underground markets) and began selling derivatives of people to manipulate instead. Individuals are still all the value that ever has been. Speaking absent of that is everything that reinforces a sleepiness of unawareness in institutionalized society.

New (sorta) computer systems that are a complete overhaul from previous versions can make it impossible to violate privacy, although that's cuz the system I know of automatically shares everything and access forces the system to constantly evolve.
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munruo wrote:


SandyNewt wrote:

Information is the most valuable commodity these days...


Only because they stopped selling people openly (went to underground markets) and began selling derivatives of people to manipulate instead. Individuals are still all the value that ever has been. Speaking absent of that is everything that reinforces a sleepiness of unawareness in institutionalized society.

New (sorta) computer systems that are a complete overhaul from previous versions can make it impossible to violate privacy, although that's cuz the system I know of automatically shares everything and access forces the system to constantly evolve.


People are worth less now than ever with the development of robotics and cheap labour with along with slavery and stuff. But if you work in a company with peoples personal information you will know the sort of deals that go on it's quite grim to see the details of peoples lives turn into money.

People like the CIA will be able to get into pretty much any system they please they'll have deals with companies both hardware and software that will make it easier for them to get into.
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When I say value, I don't mean anything actually measurable. I literally mean, everything is about us... that is all. The CIA, government of any sort can all rot in hell as they are already doing with what has been known as aging unto death.

Basing anything off of information helps contribute to a shorter lifespan. Unless one can figure out that they have sought blindness and end their self inflicted suffering. Ending any perception of self-fulfilling prophecies that center around your own misery is the only way to prevent trash like government from fucking with you. Everything they speak is an illusion with a facade of some sacrifice so that individuals can give up on themselves. Doesn't matter that they know what I have looked at, everything they do is uselessly on the verge on collapse. The more government seeks to violate the trust they pretend to have with people, the faster collapse.

Fortunately, there isn't much trust left among the masses in America and the leadership I have seen that steps up is the same as hiring a toddler to play house with guns and puppet strings. Someday there will be a leader that puts the emphasis all upon the people that isn't a puppet of an agenda not for us all. To do that though, someone has to recognize that basing any decisions off of information to derive some conclusion with very little awareness is only going to self perpetuate the same bullshit that has any institution about to collapse only held together by constant sacrifice.

I studied a lot of science and its only a matter of some big invention that is going to enforce governmental breakdowns across the planet. The moment any tech comes out that is considerable higher than anything we have seen so far... the end of being able to police without some sort of evolution. Labs all across the planet have said for decades now they are on the verge of something major (well if you go all the way back to Tesla... for about 100 years now). Alternatively, any lesser tech still is easy for a government to horde and much of that is still being produced as well. Any big change is going to help bring a cascade of more change. Global communications helps reinforce that and the constant decline in government standards just has to hit the lowest point and no one will ever want government like we've seen again. Coming together to a decision like that as a planet ensures we all make some big choices for ourselves, but together, in a lasting manner that has to use everything we've been through to no longer suck.

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I honestly think governments are a necessary evil in the Western world and that they shouldn't be able to spy on people as they are able to but the sad fact is they have always spied and will always spy be it informants or other more direct means it's something that is almost impossible to fight as you are just going to be swinging at the shadows and when you do land a hit it will just turn into another system the seeks to reform the last but ends up being corrupted but the nature of humanity you'd have to change humans on a fundamental level to stop them exploiting and spying on others.
To companies and governments people will always be a thing they see as a number and currency even sometimes attaching a rating to their reliability when they forget that their power is granted to them by good faith from the people that's when you see large businesses plummet and governments collapse, a typical case of biting the hand that feeds. That's often why corporations and governments join hands because they see the general population the same way as each other be it capitalist, communist or socialist they all see their population as something to be careful of and appease because if you don't you get civil wars in extreme situations.
The trick most try to use is it will be beneficial to your safety or convenient for them to take your information even housing associations are involved in selling peoples information along with charities and of course google.
The sad fact is it's something that you can change temporarily until the replacement starts acting the same way people will always be people spying on your population is a concept as old as populations it's self probably again I'm not saying I accept the buying and selling of people's information in anyway it's just it's easy to do and can be sold to the person as a good thing and then sold to others as information knowing what people like, think and who they are I mean look at the NHS it apparently sells medical information of the public people will always want to know who to target and who likes what the sad state of people. Get them used to it and they won't complain. Morally wrong yes but people only care about morals when it benefits them.
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Necessary... well I'd like to get into that.

The benefits we have grown through by accepting governments makes it possible to evolve in a way not done before, so necessary only because of being a step towards the final.

Looking through history, individuals can come out with many interpretations. For me, I have seen that before government everything is individuals and still individuals while government while the skewing of perception can occur if we speak poorly. Like speaking in a way that denotes we get everything from government is poor while recognizing that we make government possible is keeping true.

Over the course of constant decline in made governments, I agree, many individuals thought they could fix a broken system by creating another broken system in the way they felt is right. Well that's got us here to America, as founding this country came with an attempt to end the brokenness by going away from monarchies. Still, as always about individuals, there has been an constant entropic decline to all we've known while societies have been investing in their ability to communicate with each other after so much war.

Another way of understanding this, is with the decline of rule so has lifespan been diminishing. Creativity, ability of any sort, life, health, all we do is constantly being affected by our choices. Early governments with 1 in charge of it made it easy to stay in sync with the masses, limiting entropy and the decline of all we see into a starvation state to a bottleneck of what was being spoken about via reflecting on the ruler. Now, all discussion of longer lifespans is actively being doubted, overwritten, and dismissed. While still we are affecting everything in a constant present ability. Exactly like you being here is a vote on the present state of all of reality and stuff you say affects the way you vote.

With less capable leaders popping up, the masses have begun to emphasize their own independence in judgment while the overall dialogue we tend to hear has become rather dark. Secrets have become apart of standard rule and rule is steadily becoming less capable, showing this way as it was in beginning has always been a path of failure. While necessarily unto ourselves we have been preserving on a much greater scale while blind everything that we are by defining constantly all that we are. Defining affects your vote of reality and makes as you choose.

Necessarily, we still are affecting everything and unless we change as a whole... we're due for another societal breakdown. Utilizing rule and governments as we've grown to do have been designed to prevent this while never being successful. So yea, I agree, the only way to fix anything is a true overhaul of what we keep pretending to know until we actually know wtf we are and make a system that energizes everything with never ending synergy. Well fortunately, because of failing leadership and constant society demand to talk and define everything... we're all already attempting to do this because we right smack dab in the center of catastrophic conceptual thinking that has yet to be overcome and results in societal collapse to ensure individuals stop paving false paths.

Our benefit is we have grown so far from ourselves, while obviously unable to detach, that we have grown an ability to speak about everything as we're doing right now. And speaking about all this stuff, instead of not, is the big difference that is going to make the possibility of fixing everything instead of constant struggle. The big idea that governments have always left out of their founding that our history shows is that each individual is just as significant as a leader and anyone else. We are all affecting reality in a manner that provides ample bounty or starving nature. Getting back in touch with there never being any cosmic disturbances and that we are causing everything is the same as finally taking responsibility instead of prolonging negligence that became the foundation for furthering government.

Necessarily, yes, we made government, but its incomplete and requires complete destruction to be remade. Its only a matter of when the failing government is ready to self-destruct in its own failures. But once again... modernly we are at a significant change because we are finally speaking openly more and more. Factoring ourselves into a working government is a necessary manner of preserving all of us... just gotta figure out the way that's can be, speak about it openly, and the world can open up, heal itself, and creativity flourishes as its own currency. All of this affects lifespan!
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Where do you see your country with no government do you honestly think it will last? The government would just stand by and roll over? Every other country will just see that patch of land unclaimed and not take it? In order to make something like the complete destruction of a government become something that people can recover from you would need to indoctrinate everyone to think along the same lines the sheer amount of thefts that happen in riots show what would happen if a government even quivers if you completely and suddenly removed that rule imagine the devastation it would be chaos incarnate not everyone would settle down and preserve the good aspects while getting rid of the terrible ones the majority of people would look out for themselves, family and friends. Then when someone worse takes power they won't be given it they will assert it that's how humans are and always will be unless you indoctrinate them the vast majority of the time in world history when a government fails look at what happens even if just the currency starts failing it almost assuredly ruins it. The only way to change a country without ruining it that way is by voting another party in which is half of Americas problem people see another vote as futile and don't vote for anything other than the main ones which gives them a heavy advantage in the political system how to reform this the most stable way to do it would be to infiltrate one of those parties and usurp it but then how long until it became what it set out to ruin? Gambia if it just got rid of it's government would have been in even more chaos right now fortunately it's not and hopefully it will work out better for them now but that temptation would always be there to hold the power and assert it as much as possible people go crazy with power all the time even with just a little power everyone has had the boss or teacher in their life an area of land would be worse.

I disagree that peoples lives are worst sure they aren't as good as it was but it's noticeably better than even just a few decades back look at the improvements in medicine and technology.

The matter is people will always have leaders people will always want leaders people will always need leaders. These leaders would become government the people who back these leaders one way or another will defend these leaders. The leaders will always come to be a personification of the people and when that fails to be the case to have loss in support and uprisings even paying mercenaries shows what kind of people the government rules.

This is why information will always be bought and sold unfortunately legally or illegally information is a powerful tool to use in anything which creates demand and it will be supplied sure people should be able to say how much information is available to purchase but to say peoples information won't be bought and sold is unrealistic I would rather this not to be the case and would rather not play devils advocate but it's going to happen whether they tell you or not. The debate on the limits should certainly be had and the less available for sale the better in my opinion.
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Thing is, everything you're saying is a self-fulfilling path that keeps things the same because that's what has been taught to the masses. Getting past the way is the benefit, reward, and everything worthwhile for anyone.

Long ago and I mean like millions of years ago before society began utilizing calendars to reset perspective around simplifications of time to short hand our history so there are less questions for any leader attempting to do anything.... this is the foundation of government and its always been about war.

Sure we can be without a government but only if we figure out the original intent we made governments for... not the micromanaging of masses but a channeled way to set them free after pretend dependence. In that era so long ago war was akin to farming cattle. This has been much of the mentality that passes along governments ever since they forgot wtf they began to do then got stuck on rule. So definitely we can have better everything, perceiving past current situations to see what's real through all the illusions masses tell themselves is the only way to do that but you'll never do it if you think something has to stick around.
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I certainly wouldn't want to live in similar conditions to millions of years ago... you aren't selling me on this get rid of government it will be fine concept. Government was set up because it was stability, unity and protection if people didn't like it they would have done what the French and Americans did both of those countries could have picked anarchy but never because stability and safety is more comforting to a person than the opposite go see countries and regions that lack government intervention in this world today they exist and there are plenty of them but they aren't convenient life is hard there is a lack of stability and peace between settlements is kept between local leaders sure sounds great but it's not it's like communism it's a great concept sure but doesn't play out the same way in reality one famine can really devastate people if you live with a government that works then they just import more foods in Europe has a vegetable shortage right now and people aren't suffering on mass because of it due to the governments dealing with the situation if Europe was a group of small settlements with no real leaders it wouldn't play out the same way. In your ideal world what happens to people with severe disabilities? Government is used to comfort people, bring people together on mass, support people and protect people we know why governments were made there is written records of it, it's to hold and protect areas of land and the people in that area when the Romans took England it wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts sure but all over Europe it caused a lot of local tension to be quenched because those people weren't living happily in peace with one another but that made them become more peaceful towards one another for a while due to common law. A country with no government would play out the exact same local rules and power exist until someone bigger comes along and takes it all away from them that's how most counties in the world got their land.
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