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BBC unaired interview: Anime is pedophilia and should be illegal
Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/12/17
http://technology.inquirer.net/59564/artist-journalist-debate-over-anime-manga-as-promo-for-pedophilia
Some broad from the BBC went to Japan to preach at them over their dirty comics
Had an interview with the character designer from Girls und Panzer
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Dooley says, “All human beings are naturally innocent and have no dirty desires, and reading media depicting erotic, pedophilic, and gore contents will affect them to be corrupted.”


To which Nogami retorted, “Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized and have a lower crime rate than the U.K.?”

The finished documentary, which aired on BBC Three did not include Dooley’s interview of Nogami.


“Oh, on top of that, she said, with the look of a hitman from Black Lagoon, ‘My desire is to put all pedophiles and ones who produce pedophilic media into jail.’”



She ignored me when I said, ‘Don’t look at us to turn away from your problem within the U.K.’”


How ironic is it that someone from a country that covered up pedophile grooming rings nags at a country with a much lower crime rate?
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Being from the UK I can say the pedo hunt has gotten out of control now any man which so much as speaks to a child could be one. it's turned into a witch hunt of celebrities and soon common people and the covering up rape gangs yeah the media takes away the attention of them by going this famous kids celebrity is a massive pedo better ruin them before there is even a trial... honestly I'm surprised anime and manga lasted this long before being brandished that way it's sad really.
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I'm just sitting here waiting for my partner to get back from a meeting.

And I'm thinking to myself. These journalists do this for a living; when I'm over here scaling a fucking building helping someone put flashing on our new Shop.

Fucking people have nothing better to do other than argue about nothing.

And yes this post killed about 10 mins. Thank you general discussion
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why was this thread reported...?
UN already tried to ban certain manga in Japan, but Kumiko Yamada, representative of the Japanese wing of the Women’s Institute Of Contemporary Media Culture, basically told them the f-word, and her response was very satisfying.
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Posted 3/9/17

Humms wrote:

I'm just sitting here waiting for my partner to get back from a meeting.

And I'm thinking to myself. These journalists do this for a living; when I'm over here scaling a fucking building helping someone put flashing on our new Shop.

Fucking people have nothing better to do other than argue about nothing.

And yes this post killed about 10 mins. Thank you general discussion


It gets better
British tax dollars pay for her to do this
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That was quite annoying to read. Not all anime and manga are like that plus, they're not only fictional, they're just drawings. There are much worse stuff out there that are more real (like real human child porn that should be done something against). The lady seems quite rude also since she ignores what the other person is saying when she doesn't wanna hear it.

Well, there are always gonna be people like that no matter what we try to tell them.
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Well, loli is a thing in anime and I admit that I have felt very uncomfortable when an anime shows a young girl in a sexual way, like the focus goes to her boobs or panties and I'm not talking about ecchi anime, I've seen this in a lot of "normal" animes. In one anime I remember an adult making a comment about a girl (probably 14) about how small her boobs were but since she has a tiny waist her boobs look big and he made the "grabby grabby" gesture with his hands. That's disgusting and I dropped the anime after that.

I think it is not ok to depict young children in that way, fiction or not so I can see why some people may think this way about anime. I would only ban loli/shota.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

why was this thread reported...?


I mean, he did say in the title that the BBC was saying this stuff, when in the article it makes it clear that this was only the opinion of "some broad" as A_L put it, which the BBC did not end up putting in their finished product.

I wonder who the biggest blight on the BBC is. Dooley or Moffat?

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nerdtox wrote:
I think it is not ok to depict young children in that way, fiction or not so I can see why some people may think this way about anime. I would only ban loli/shota.


I can get behind that. I don't have a problem with loli characters in an anime most of the time, but when the premise of an anime is to sexualize lolis or shotas I am A-ok with hitting them with the ban hammer.
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I mean, he did say in the title that the BBC was saying this stuff

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They paid her to say this stuff and create a documentary though
Have they fired and disavowed her for it or something?
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octorockandroll wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:

why was this thread reported...?


I mean, he did say in the title that the BBC was saying this stuff, when in the article it makes it clear that this was only the opinion of "some broad" as A_L put it, which the BBC did not end up putting in their finished product.

I wonder who the biggest blight on the BBC is. Dooley or Moffat?

Edit:


nerdtox wrote:
I think it is not ok to depict young children in that way, fiction or not so I can see why some people may think this way about anime. I would only ban loli/shota.


I can get behind that. I don't have a problem with loli characters in an anime most of the time, but when the premise of an anime is to sexualize lolis or shotas I am A-ok with hitting them with the ban hammer.


How is that breaking any rules though?
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Being from the UK I can say the pedo hunt has gotten out of control now any man which so much as speaks to a child could be one. it's turned into a witch hunt of celebrities and soon common people and the covering up rape gangs yeah the media takes away the attention of them by going this famous kids celebrity is a massive pedo better ruin them before there is even a trial... honestly I'm surprised anime and manga lasted this long before being brandished that way it's sad really.


Heard there was a law at some UK theater chains actually banning adults from seeing "family movies" by themselves unless accompanied by their/a kid.
On behalf of the US, where you can watch any damn cartoon you want to and people will often think you're cooler for it (well, at least if you know the Moana songs and can quote Chuck Jones refs), You Have GOT To Be Freakin' Kidding.
It's not 1991, people.

(And that refers to people still trying to yellow-peril attach "Japanimation" to tentacle-hentai, because that was all the early VHS companies used to be able to get. Y'know, makes ME feel old to remember this stuff...)
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How is that breaking any rules though?



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So did they fire Dooley and disavow her work that they paid for or what?
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octorockandroll wrote:

nerdtox wrote:
I think it is not ok to depict young children in that way, fiction or not so I can see why some people may think this way about anime. I would only ban loli/shota.


I can get behind that. I don't have a problem with loli characters in an anime most of the time, but when the premise of an anime is to sexualize lolis or shotas I am A-ok with hitting them with the ban hammer.


it's not that simple. manga artists often start their careers making doujin work at comi-ke. some of those works are questionable, of course, but it's one way to start their career in a very competitive field. also, most reasonable beings would agree that there's a difference between fiction and real. you wouldn't arrest someone for killing fictional characters in GTA, for example. also, worth reading the response to UN, when they tried to do the exact same thing.



We are absolutely in agreement that the protection of the rights of women in Japan is important. On the other hand, we think it should be carefully and seriously evaluated whether the measures taken to ensure those protections are valid ones or not. If we are asked to consider whether “Protecting Women’s Rights in Japan” requires us to “Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence,” then we must reply that that is an absolute “no.”

Reasons for Our Opinion:

Reason #1 – The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.

Reason #2 – In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves. If we were to “ban the sale of manga that includes sexual violence,” it would do the opposite and instead create a new avenue of sexism toward women.

Detailed Explanation of Reasons:

About Reason #1 – It goes without saying that the rape and other crimes of actual real people who experience sexual acts from partners without consent is an actual violation of their rights concerning sexual violence and should obviously be forbidden by law, and that it’s necessary to protect and support victims. However, the figures in manga and video games are creative fictions that do not actually exist, and thus this is not a violation of any real person’s human rights. We should focus on attacking the problems that affect real women’s human rights as quickly as possible.

About Reason #2 – In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves.Already in the 70s there were women-focused manga magazines and many talented women manga writers came from them.In this way, before the Equal Opportunity Employment Act for Men and Women passed in 1986, there was already a space where women flourished and had established the “shoujo manga” genre. And of course, within women’s manga, sometimes the topic was of romance and sex […] In this way, it can be predicted that if we were to ban the sale of “manga that depicts sexual violence,” a great deal of publishers would cease publication of a huge amount of works. In the creative field of manga, the effect would be that women who have worked so hard to create a place for vibrant careers would have that place shrink right in front of them, as well as have their efforts negated. In addition, if we were to put ourselves in the places of manga readers the chance to know about the history of the sexual exploitation of women would be lost and method for them to come to know about it. If the creative fields of manga were attacked, trampled on and destroyed with such prejudice, it would damage not only the women manga writers, but also spread to other women creators in the field, as well as the female readers. This would be a sexist punishment that only narrows the career possibilities of Japan’s women

[…]

Conclusion:

As stated above, we cannot say that banning the sale of manga and video games that “depict sexual violence” is valid, even if we were to agree that the goal of protecting the rights of women is correct.

There is nothing to be gained from regulating fictional sexual violence. However, while you’re trying to fix the rights of fictional characters, you’re leaving the human rights of real women in the real world left to rot. As well, in Japan, the entire reason we have a media genre such as manga that developed to take on themes such as the sexual exploitation of women came from an attitude to tolerate “drinking the pure and the dirty without prejudice.” It’s because we had the freedom to express our views and with that to express the view of a world of humans that live and die, that there are pure and wonderful things and dirty and nasty things mixed with each other.

Manga is a field where women have put in their hard work and effort to cut forward paths and cultivate a place of their own. We believe that in order to protect this place from being trampled on, it will need our continued hard work to pass it on to the next generation, and it is this effort that will link to the greater freedom and rights of women.

link in my previous post

worth remembering that UN workers were themselves involved in real child pornography (maybe they still are, idk)

edit: i'm starting to think that the thread was reported because the one reporting it had a particular grudge against the OP
(possibly because of politics thread). the thread title does not seem misleading to me.
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octorockandroll wrote:


MysticGon wrote:
How is that breaking any rules though?



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I see. Keep up the good work. Gotta be vigilant.
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