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Posted 3/9/17

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Well, loli is a thing in anime and I admit that I have felt very uncomfortable when an anime shows a young girl in a sexual way, like the focus goes to her boobs or panties and I'm not talking about ecchi anime, I've seen this in a lot of "normal" animes. In one anime I remember an adult making a comment about a girl (probably 14) about how small her boobs were but since she has a tiny waist her boobs look big and he made the "grabby grabby" gesture with his hands. That's disgusting and I dropped the anime after that.

I think it is not ok to depict young children in that way, fiction or not so I can see why some people may think this way about anime. I would only ban loli/shota.


There is a lot of precedence when it comes to bans, in a legal manner. Courts are all about precedence. By protecting others rights we protect our own. Albeit, if I were a God, or head of Crunchyroll, I would certainly deny Guro the right to exist. Come to think of it, a lot of other things wouldn't exist.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:There is a lot of precedence when it comes to bans, in a legal manner. Courts are all about precedence.

pretty much. even if you have the best of intentions, a ban could have far-reaching consequences, which is why Japan was completely against it.
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octorockandroll wrote:

nerdtox wrote:
I think it is not ok to depict young children in that way, fiction or not so I can see why some people may think this way about anime. I would only ban loli/shota.


I can get behind that. I don't have a problem with loli characters in an anime most of the time, but when the premise of an anime is to sexualize lolis or shotas I am A-ok with hitting them with the ban hammer.


it's not that simple. manga artists often start their careers making doujin work at comi-ke. some of those works are questionable, of course, but it's one way to start their career in a very competitive field. also, most reasonable beings would agree that there's a difference between fiction and real. you wouldn't arrest someone for killing fictional characters in GTA, for example. also, worth reading the response to UN, when they tried to do the exact same thing.



We are absolutely in agreement that the protection of the rights of women in Japan is important. On the other hand, we think it should be carefully and seriously evaluated whether the measures taken to ensure those protections are valid ones or not. If we are asked to consider whether “Protecting Women’s Rights in Japan” requires us to “Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence,” then we must reply that that is an absolute “no.”

Reasons for Our Opinion:

Reason #1 – The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.

Reason #2 – In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves. If we were to “ban the sale of manga that includes sexual violence,” it would do the opposite and instead create a new avenue of sexism toward women.

Detailed Explanation of Reasons:

About Reason #1 – It goes without saying that the rape and other crimes of actual real people who experience sexual acts from partners without consent is an actual violation of their rights concerning sexual violence and should obviously be forbidden by law, and that it’s necessary to protect and support victims. However, the figures in manga and video games are creative fictions that do not actually exist, and thus this is not a violation of any real person’s human rights. We should focus on attacking the problems that affect real women’s human rights as quickly as possible.

About Reason #2 – In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves.Already in the 70s there were women-focused manga magazines and many talented women manga writers came from them.In this way, before the Equal Opportunity Employment Act for Men and Women passed in 1986, there was already a space where women flourished and had established the “shoujo manga” genre. And of course, within women’s manga, sometimes the topic was of romance and sex […] In this way, it can be predicted that if we were to ban the sale of “manga that depicts sexual violence,” a great deal of publishers would cease publication of a huge amount of works. In the creative field of manga, the effect would be that women who have worked so hard to create a place for vibrant careers would have that place shrink right in front of them, as well as have their efforts negated. In addition, if we were to put ourselves in the places of manga readers the chance to know about the history of the sexual exploitation of women would be lost and method for them to come to know about it. If the creative fields of manga were attacked, trampled on and destroyed with such prejudice, it would damage not only the women manga writers, but also spread to other women creators in the field, as well as the female readers. This would be a sexist punishment that only narrows the career possibilities of Japan’s women

[…]

Conclusion:

As stated above, we cannot say that banning the sale of manga and video games that “depict sexual violence” is valid, even if we were to agree that the goal of protecting the rights of women is correct.

There is nothing to be gained from regulating fictional sexual violence. However, while you’re trying to fix the rights of fictional characters, you’re leaving the human rights of real women in the real world left to rot. As well, in Japan, the entire reason we have a media genre such as manga that developed to take on themes such as the sexual exploitation of women came from an attitude to tolerate “drinking the pure and the dirty without prejudice.” It’s because we had the freedom to express our views and with that to express the view of a world of humans that live and die, that there are pure and wonderful things and dirty and nasty things mixed with each other.

Manga is a field where women have put in their hard work and effort to cut forward paths and cultivate a place of their own. We believe that in order to protect this place from being trampled on, it will need our continued hard work to pass it on to the next generation, and it is this effort that will link to the greater freedom and rights of women.

link in my previous post

worth remembering that UN workers were themselves involved in real child pornography (maybe they still are, idk)

edit: i'm starting to think that the thread was reported because the one reporting it had a particular grudge against the OP
(possibly because of politics thread). the thread title does not seem misleading to me.


I'm aware of the role doujinshi play in the careers of young mangaka, but I really don't see what that has to do with loli and shota stuff being banned over here, those don't even get published here a lot of the time.

And frankly if the Dooley says something that the BBC neither publishes or airs, then that's not the BBC saying it, it's Dooley.
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/9/17

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I really don't see what that has to do with loli and shota stuff being banned over here, those don't even get published here a lot of the time.

even though Dooley is trying to put pressure to make Japan ban it..? i'm pretty sure it's already illegal to have such depictions in the UK.


Dooley asked Nogami, “Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the U.K. does?”



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And frankly if the Dooley says something that the BBC neither publishes or airs, then that's not the BBC saying it, it's Dooley.

someone is paying her to do her documentary. she didn't do it out of her own pocket.

edit: if you really want to be strict about it, i suppose renaming the thread title to
"BBC documentary claims..." would solve the possibly misleading[citation needed] part
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octorockandroll wrote:
I really don't see what that has to do with loli and shota stuff being banned over here, those don't even get published here a lot of the time.

even though Dooley is trying to put pressure to make Japan ban it..? i'm pretty sure it's already illegal to have such depictions in the UK.


Dooley asked Nogami, “Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the U.K. does?”



octorockandroll wrote:
And frankly if the Dooley says something that the BBC neither publishes or airs, then that's not the BBC saying it, it's Dooley.

someone is paying her to do her documentary. she didn't do it out of her own pocket.


If someone were paying you to write books and they edited a part out because you wrote something they don't like or find offensive are they responsible for you writing the thing that was deleted? They're still paying you to write your books after all.

And yeah, I was just talking about a ban over here. Sorry if that was unclear.
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/9/17
People who keep wanting to criminalize Anime , Manga , Loli Hentai etc are just idiots end of story.

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Being from the UK I can say the pedo hunt has gotten out of control now any man which so much as speaks to a child could be one. it's turned into a witch hunt of celebrities and soon common people and the covering up rape gangs yeah the media takes away the attention of them by going this famous kids celebrity is a massive pedo better ruin them before there is even a trial... honestly I'm surprised anime and manga lasted this long before being brandished that way it's sad really.


Heard there was a law at some UK theater chains actually banning adults from seeing "family movies" by themselves unless accompanied by their/a kid.
On behalf of the US, where you can watch any damn cartoon you want to and people will often think you're cooler for it (well, at least if you know the Moana songs and can quote Chuck Jones refs), You Have GOT To Be Freakin' Kidding.
It's not 1991, people.

(And that refers to people still trying to yellow-peril attach "Japanimation" to tentacle-hentai, because that was all the early VHS companies used to be able to get. Y'know, makes ME feel old to remember this stuff...)


Probably I couldn't say for sure but there's much worse such as you some public transport and aircraft companies don't let you sit next to children and say if I had to pick up my niece from nursery because something happened to her mum because I'm not her legal guardian I would not be able to unless I had a password, her mum phoned in telling them the password and the child knew the password is something I would say the same for her dad since her dad never picks her up because he works it would be not normal and the child would be refused until the mum in this case could be contacted or a registered emergency contact. It's quite frankly pathetic and I would like to see the BBC become something you don't have to give money to I never use it plenty other people think it's not good and a waste of money... hearing stuff like this makes me want to leave country into a less paranoid one that persecutes it's people less but hey maybe I should work on getting a job first since that's also something this government is failing for it's people go on Ms. May you can do it if you try but I doubt anything will happen other than another Torrie government typical of all the rest... you mean it might start costing me money to have my garden waste picked up... but wasn't council tax for that? Its' sad when the Torries and SNP are the better parties well at least we are getting out the nightmare that the EU is turning into that's one good thing at least. sorry for the rant but this place has got far to ridiculous and no one seems to know or care. also remember your ISP is allowed to store your information just in case you turn out to be a creepy pervert or terrorist unless they revoked that which I doubt they did. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about your privacy right?public safety is of up most importance.
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If someone were paying you to write books and they edited a part out because you wrote something they don't like or find offensive are they responsible for you writing the thing that was deleted?



They didn't edit out all the parts that insinuate all anime with a character in a school uniform is child porn though
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Posted 3/9/17

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octorockandroll wrote:


If someone were paying you to write books and they edited a part out because you wrote something they don't like or find offensive are they responsible for you writing the thing that was deleted?



They didn't edit out all the parts that insinuate all anime with a character in a school uniform is child porn though


That's a query and not an absolute statement like the title claims, but nice try.
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SandyNewt wrote:If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about your privacy right?public safety is of up most importance.


Y'know, one of our people once said, speaking of UK policies at the time, that "Those who would give up some of their liberty for security deserve neither."
That was a bit of a while ago, though.
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People who keep wanting to criminalize Anime , Manga , Loli Hentai etc are just idiots end of story.



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SandyNewt wrote:If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about your privacy right?public safety is of up most importance.


Y'know, one of our people once said, speaking of UK policies at the time, that "Those who would give up some of their liberty for security deserve neither."
That was a bit of a while ago, though.


Yeah I said that because that is the main thing thrown around it's like some sort of tactic to make people vocally want this because if they don't they are a threat to others apparently... to clarify I agree with you but people spin it as if you want don't want people looking you have something to hide...
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Posted 3/9/17 , edited 3/9/17

octorockandroll wrote:
If someone were paying you to write books and they edited a part out because you wrote something they don't like or find offensive are they responsible for you writing the thing that was deleted? They're still paying you to write your books after all.

this looks fine if you don't see the context or what was actually removed from the documentary.



During the interview, Nogami commented on the UK’s poverty issue (6.5% of the population lives in poverty with an extra 16.5% at risk of becoming impoverished). According to Nogami, Dooley ignored this comment and continued about how all fiction sexualizing young girls should be banned.
The interview ended with a very hotly contested exchange. Before leaving, Dooley asked Nogami, “Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?”

Nogami replied, “Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized and have a lower crime rate than the UK?”

Nogami’s interview was not included in the finished documentary.


essentialy, Nogami made various points such as the poverty in the UK and how Japan have a lower crime rate.
BBC chose to remove his interview...gee i wonder why.
Posted 3/9/17

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That's a query and not an absolute statement like the title claims, but nice try.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/57eaaf23-0cef-48c8-961f-41f2563b38aa
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She believes there is an issue that goes “much deeper than child porn”.

Domestic sales of manga comics topped over £2 billion in Japan in 2015.

"Lolicon" (short for "Lolita complex") is the Japanese term for manga and anime featuring sexually explicit images of children. It can involve extreme violence, rape and incest.


sexually explicit manga continuing to inhabit a grey area, you have to ask, is Japan turning a blind eye to paedophilia?


Either way, steps are being taken to change things.




I get feeling grossed out by it, I've had to drop a few anime because of it. But a drawing is just a drawing. Who decides what age a stick man is?
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octorockandroll wrote:
If someone were paying you to write books and they edited a part out because you wrote something they don't like or find offensive are they responsible for you writing the thing that was deleted? They're still paying you to write your books after all.

this looks fine if you don't see the context or what was actually removed from the documentary.



During the interview, Nogami commented on the UK’s poverty issue (6.5% of the population lives in poverty with an extra 16.5% at risk of becoming impoverished). According to Nogami, Dooley ignored this comment and continued about how all fiction sexualizing young girls should be banned.
The interview ended with a very hotly contested exchange. Before leaving, Dooley asked Nogami, “Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?”

Nogami replied, “Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized and have a lower crime rate than the UK?”

Nogami’s interview was not included in the finished documentary.


essentialy, Nogami made various points such as the poverty in the UK and how Japan have a lower crime rate.
BBC chose to remove his interview...gee i wonder why.


Yeah sorry, I really don't see how that changes anything :/
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