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Idk what to think about this. I love the idea of the world Overlord takes place, I like the characters, but the first season's pacing was all over the place. I suppose I'll give it a chance though.
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Idk what to think about this. I love the idea of the world Overlord takes place, I like the characters, but the first season's pacing was all over the place. I suppose I'll give it a chance though.


I think the second season will be of significantly higher quality. If I am not mistaken, I think the first season was made primarily to increase sales for the light novel. Madhouse probably didn't intend to make another season. The entire reason for another season is probably due to the popularity of the first season and the urging of a second season by fans. If Madhouse focuses on the second season as its own thing instead of a way to increase light novel sales (which I think they will due to the popularity), the overall quality could go up a lot.

I'm not exactly sure, but this is my speculation.
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kevz_210 wrote:

Idk what to think about this. I love the idea of the world Overlord takes place, I like the characters, but the first season's pacing was all over the place. I suppose I'll give it a chance though.


I think the second season will be of significantly higher quality. If I am not mistaken, I think the first season was made primarily to increase sales for the light novel. Madhouse probably didn't intend to make another season. The entire reason for another season is probably due to the popularity of the first season and the urging of a second season by fans. If Madhouse focuses on the second season as its own thing instead of a way to increase light novel sales (which I think they will due to the popularity), the overall quality could go up a lot.

I'm not exactly sure, but this is my speculation.


Let's hope so.
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I watched the first season, Didn't like it
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I don't know what the MMO aspect have to do with anything. He starts off as a normal guy, playing a VRMMO, that turns real, no login buttons or menus or anything.

First off, you might as well have made this an actual fantasy, and nothing would have changed. Except...

You would have needed to give a backstory to how Momonga got his powers if not grinding to a ludicrous extent, and how the other servants and guardians came around, alongside the dungeon. BUT I GUESS A BACKSTORY LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK.

Seems like a cheap workaround to what may have been great storytelling.
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I don't know what the MMO aspect have to do with anything. He starts off as a normal guy, playing a VRMMO, that turns real, no login buttons or menus or anything.

First off, you might as well have made this an actual fantasy, and nothing would have changed. Except...

You would have needed to give a backstory to how Momonga got his powers if not grinding to a ludicrous extent, and how the other servants and guardians came around, alongside the dungeon. BUT I GUESS A BACKSTORY LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK.

Seems like a cheap workaround to what may have been great storytelling.


Thats the direction the author wanted to go. Is it a fantasy world or another version of the game?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I don't know what the MMO aspect have to do with anything. He starts off as a normal guy, playing a VRMMO, that turns real, no login buttons or menus or anything.

First off, you might as well have made this an actual fantasy, and nothing would have changed. Except...

You would have needed to give a backstory to how Momonga got his powers if not grinding to a ludicrous extent, and how the other servants and guardians came around, alongside the dungeon. BUT I GUESS A BACKSTORY LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK.

Seems like a cheap workaround to what may have been great storytelling.


It actually works for me. I normally hate when an author slaps game mechanics onto a fantasy story for no reason (Grimgar, Danmachi). But Overlord doesn't bother me. You'd lose the sense of isolation and loss that Ainz has. He also wouldn't be so cautious or in the dark if he were from that world. Plus it's actually an interesting change to the stuck in a game premise.

Plus Nazarick showing up out of no where makes them an outside context problem for those living in that world. It's basically a low key alien invasion (aliens being more Lovecraftian from another reality version).
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I don't know what the MMO aspect have to do with anything. He starts off as a normal guy, playing a VRMMO, that turns real, no login buttons or menus or anything.

First off, you might as well have made this an actual fantasy, and nothing would have changed. Except...

You would have needed to give a backstory to how Momonga got his powers if not grinding to a ludicrous extent, and how the other servants and guardians came around, alongside the dungeon. BUT I GUESS A BACKSTORY LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK.

Seems like a cheap workaround to what may have been great storytelling.


Thats the direction the author wanted to go. Is it a fantasy world or another version of the game?


Nothing would be changed from the MMO premise, except for the possible existence of other former players. It is just a hook to lure people in, as well as a handwave. Momonga accepts it quickly to the point it is not brought up as a major plot point at all. At this point, it the equivalent of Gate not doing any real mentions of researching the titular Gate in most of its episodes, despite the major justification being to prevent other gates from opening in Japan and elsewhere, a legitimate reason that was poorly written in to excuse the protagonists and their actions for being there.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I don't know what the MMO aspect have to do with anything. He starts off as a normal guy, playing a VRMMO, that turns real, no login buttons or menus or anything.

First off, you might as well have made this an actual fantasy, and nothing would have changed. Except...

You would have needed to give a backstory to how Momonga got his powers if not grinding to a ludicrous extent, and how the other servants and guardians came around, alongside the dungeon. BUT I GUESS A BACKSTORY LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK.

Seems like a cheap workaround to what may have been great storytelling.


It actually works for me. I normally hate when an author slaps game mechanics onto a fantasy story for no reason (Grimgar, Danmachi). But Overlord doesn't bother me. You'd lose the sense of isolation and loss that Ainz has. He also wouldn't be so cautious or in the dark if he were from that world. Plus it's actually an interesting change to the stuck in a game premise.

Plus Nazarick showing up out of no where makes them an outside context problem for those living in that world. It's basically a low key alien invasion (aliens being more Lovecraftian from another reality version).


I felt they slapped a MMORPG tag for no reason, because this is essentially a fantasy, but maybe I am dense. Momonga never appealed to me. He would be those that seem interesting from afar but his thought process is less methodical and more banal. His sense of right and wrong were never developed from normal morality, but essentially was always a blue and orange one. or one that never was explained as it apparently evolved.

My main sinning for this anime is that he already starts off extremely powerful with a boring explanation, that he played a game. In OPM, this is played for laughs, but for here, he is overly powerful, and has ton of servants that were loyal to him from the beginning of the anime, without a real motivation for some typically cast into anti heroic villain type. The conflict that arises from the invasion is questionable, since Liches are usually mysterious, undead beings, which Momonga reminiscences about when he was still just a player. The guild Ainz Ooal Gown was created by the undead for the undead, a great deal from the discrimination players exercise against anyone playing such a character. I imagine real human beings would be even worst against real liches.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I felt they slapped a MMORPG tag for no reason, because this is essentially a fantasy, but maybe I am dense. Momonga never appealed to me. He would be those that seem interesting from afar but his thought process is less methodical and more banal. His sense of right and wrong were never developed from normal morality, but essentially was always a blue and orange one. or one that never was explained as it apparently evolved.

My main sinning for this anime is that he already starts off extremely powerful with a boring explanation, that he played a game. In OPM, this is played for laughs, but for here, he is overly powerful, and has ton of servants that were loyal to him from the beginning of the anime, without a real motivation for some typically cast into anti heroic villain type. The conflict that arises from the invasion is questionable, since Liches are usually mysterious, undead beings, which Momonga reminiscences about when he was still just a player. The guild Ainz Ooal Gown was created by the undead for the undead, a great deal from the discrimination players exercise against anyone playing such a character. I imagine real human beings would be even worst against real liches.


I like the fact that despite all this power, it can't give him what he wants (his friends). And the fact that he's now really a lich with quickly dwindling human thoughts makes it so he can't really make new friends in this new world. The npcs are so loyal and subservient that they will never treat him as an equal. Saitama also can't get what he wants because of his power (a good fight).
The frustration of power not solving the problem is an interesting story mechanic for me.

Small nitpick, the guild was for grotesques, not just undead. For example, his friend who shows up briefly in episode one is a slime.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I felt they slapped a MMORPG tag for no reason, because this is essentially a fantasy, but maybe I am dense. Momonga never appealed to me. He would be those that seem interesting from afar but his thought process is less methodical and more banal. His sense of right and wrong were never developed from normal morality, but essentially was always a blue and orange one. or one that never was explained as it apparently evolved.

My main sinning for this anime is that he already starts off extremely powerful with a boring explanation, that he played a game. In OPM, this is played for laughs, but for here, he is overly powerful, and has ton of servants that were loyal to him from the beginning of the anime, without a real motivation for some typically cast into anti heroic villain type. The conflict that arises from the invasion is questionable, since Liches are usually mysterious, undead beings, which Momonga reminiscences about when he was still just a player. The guild Ainz Ooal Gown was created by the undead for the undead, a great deal from the discrimination players exercise against anyone playing such a character. I imagine real human beings would be even worst against real liches.


I like the fact that despite all this power, it can't give him what he wants (his friends). And the fact that he's now really a lich with quickly dwindling human thoughts makes it so he can't really make new friends in this new world. The npcs are so loyal and subservient that they will never treat him as an equal. Saitama also can't get what he wants because of his power (a good fight).
The frustration of power not solving the problem is an interesting story mechanic for me.

Small nitpick, the guild was for grotesques, not just undead. For example, his friend who shows up briefly in episode one is a slime.


The fact that power cant give him what he wants is exactly why I like OPM and Overlord. OPM as you said uses this for laughs, but in Overlord it shows how a person can slowly change over time because of the isolation that they feel due to how strong they are. I like to look at it from a usual solo er and see how important it is to remember that others are needed for more reasons than utility.
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I don't know what the MMO aspect have to do with anything. He starts off as a normal guy, playing a VRMMO, that turns real, no login buttons or menus or anything.

First off, you might as well have made this an actual fantasy, and nothing would have changed. Except...

You would have needed to give a backstory to how Momonga got his powers if not grinding to a ludicrous extent, and how the other servants and guardians came around, alongside the dungeon. BUT I GUESS A BACKSTORY LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK.

Seems like a cheap workaround to what may have been great storytelling.


I honestly don't mind it. They could have taken this too far and fallen into the trapped-in-a-video-game cliche with all that entails. I think it works to explain his thoughts and actions as a foreigner in a similar but different world. I feel that it could have been a lot worse than it actually was. I also think that it works well with the story without holding it back significantly. The MMO aspect isn't really necessary but it does not hurt the entire story.
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Excitement OVERLOAD!

I have been waiting for this news.... Madhouse need to do more second seasons!!!!

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I think the MMO aspect is needed as it helps quickly justify how the guardians are initially stereotypes.
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To me I got the feeling they are setting him up to be a world power, he even comments that he could try taking over the world. To that end he needs to be someoen that can stand with all the big boys. While the first season really didnt move much with the plot, it was setting him up to get through all the low lvl stuff to reach the hights and pushing him to take more agressive action.
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