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Casualties of society. Shooting rampages: the anti-bully
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Ah, I'm glad none of my friends are taking Geography 104 this semester

Not a whole lot of schools/universities are safe anymore, mainly because of inconvenience and expense. Think about how much money it would cost just to install a bunch of survelliance cameras and metal detectors around campus. Some schools may have only 1-5 buildings, but some may have over 20. Just the thought about lining up single-file before class and emptying out your bags and pockets seems like such a hassle. Of course, it's for the safety of the students, but most schools just can't afford it or don't want to pay for such things.

Anyways, I know some of you will disagree with me. Let's keep this a friendly discussion.
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Universitys aren't really safe anymore. While there have been no shootings in Lithuanian Universitys yet it's pretty common to get stabded with a knife there. And there are many who carry guns with them (some even going with Uzi). It's really a tikking time bomb and there is bound to be a shooting if somethings not done about it soon. But some universitys have up to 20 or more buildings and more than one entrance, so it would be difficult to ckeck coming people. And it would waste a lot of time. And since it would cost a lot universitys aren't likely to pay for it.
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swt so better not to go or to go to universities?
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A motivated person can and will get past any security measure. Same reason gun control seems like a silly idea.

There's no real way to effectively distinguish between a trigger-happy emo and a normal person. Thus, the only way to avoid giving a trigger-happy emo a gun is to deny normal people from arming themselves as well. In this situation, perhaps the number of shootings would be reduced, sure. After all, if it's too much of a hassle, even trigger-happy emo's wouldn't bother doing it. That's the argument for gun control.

The argument against: what if there were trigger-happy emo's motivated enough to somehow find a gun? Or gang members? etc. Then when they whipped out a fire-arm, they'd be secure in the knowledge that due to the difficulty of obtaining one, nobody else would be able to retaliate in kind.

So, forgoing difficult and arduous security measures in gun control, citizens could arm themselves and then, in the situation given above, defend themselves.

Honestly, no matter what we do about it, people will die. 'cause people kill people.

And my opinion on University, or any shootings in general? I wish they'd go to some secluded spot and just shoot themselves, if they're going to shoot anybody. Murder is the bane of society, quite literally.

Oh, and all those people saying murdering a bully or something is justified, guess what? Unless your life is in immediate danger, you're pretty much more of a worthless shit than a bully is. There are plenty of other ways to deal with something like that before resorting to murder (I know this sounds harsh, but don't snap and go shoot somebody, you emo kids! For god's sake).
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That America's gun laws should be stricter.
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28 / M / Malaysia
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Oh wow, i never expect to see that happen again. It is becoming a "trend" =.=" Is that for real ?i mean this happen that often ? Lucky i never seen anything like that happen in here >< God bless
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I think this comes with too much stress on their heads....
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cocoluvnihon wrote:

It seems like people are likely to get killed trying to get an education and move on with their lives. What's your opinions on this?!


Haha - likely to get killed? The number of people killed in college out of the number of people who do get an education and move on with their lives very convincingly demonstrates that it is FAR from likely that one will be killed in college.

I don't see why this is such a big surprise. If people can get guns, they can use them anywhere to which they have access. It was only a matter of time before it happened at a college. There's also a lot of blame directed towards the schools, but the truth is that, short of tyrannical security, very little can be done. The only ones to blame are the shooters.

Don't let the media frighten you. You're still far more likely to die in a car accident.
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There was a shooting on campus but it was due to a robbery.I don't think that there will be like mass killings. Although last week a bomb threat was called in for one of the buildings on campus. The campus police evacuated everyone but they didn't find a bomb. I believe that a student called in the threat to avoid a test or something
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Regulus133 wrote:


cocoluvnihon wrote:

It seems like people are likely to get killed trying to get an education and move on with their lives. What's your opinions on this?!


Haha - likely to get killed? The number of people killed in college out of the number of people who do get an education and move on with their lives very convincingly demonstrates that it is FAR from likely that one will be killed in college.

I don't see why this is such a big surprise. If people can get guns, they can use them anywhere to which they have access. It was only a matter of time before it happened at a college. There's also a lot of blame directed towards the schools, but the truth is that, short of tyrannical security, very little can be done. The only ones to blame are the shooters.

Don't let the media frighten you. You're still far more likely to die in a car accident.


^ very good point
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I think depression and stress is the issue here. We all know how frustrating college life can be.
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Hmm, well we must also see that the kids are getting with every day cheekier and more aggressive..in TV it tells them what to wear and how to act...<.<
And some kids are not mentally stable enough to take on movies with blood and murderers..also it is an example of what to do when you don't like someone.
Anyways the kids at school are really discriminating, bullying weaker children, they even disrespect the teachers..Somehow I think that the kids have too much rights. The teachers can't slap the teenies back, nor defend themself anymore, otherwise they would *misuse* their power and mishandle the *poor* kids. And since the kids know that they can do what they want because nobody can punish them, they are fully enjoying it. Also the parents are to be blamed.<.<
The kids nowadays have no manners. Sometimes it is shocking me to see how they are behaving. People..I don't recommend you to become a teacher...might end badly..^.~

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bruevitz wrote:

I think depression and stress is the issue here. We all know how frustrating college life can be.


But there are also copycats. They just think it is cool or a way of getting back at certain people. And I think they are cowards, choosing to target schools.
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Ok for the record, not allowing people to have guns will definitely help. Its a statistical fact. There are less violent/fatal crimes in countries that don't allow guns. Heck there are less suicides (especially successful ones) in countries that don't allow guns. Guns being nearly completely, freely available is definitely a problem in and of itself. Don't tell me how inaccurate or whatever statistics can be. It is reliable at least to a certain extent. And even if it is only a matter of "statistics" don't you want to be on the winning side at least this one time?

Some of you have stated the lack of security in schools as a factor to why shootings seem to target them the most. (I also believe its true) Making guns (legally) unobtainable has the same effect as increasing school security, except on a nation-wide basis. Making guns unobtainable also means that people will KNOW that guns mean trouble. They won't "think its a joke" when they first see a gun. Don't the first few victims always die from "thinking its a joke"?

Besides, why not just leave the police work to the police? Seriously, attempting to shoot a criminal pointing a gun around or randomly opening fire at the surroundings seems like a dangerous thing to do. If it was planned, having a random person in the crowd have a gun probably wouldn't help much unless the planning was bad. If it was spontaneous making guns unobtainable means the guy probably wouldn't have a gun.

I will admit that it doesn't eliminate the problem completely, but it definitely lessens it. In such a case where shootings aren't really everyday affairs to begin with it might lessen the number to 0 even. Meaning, while it might not unroot the rot of society that is causing this it would definitely significantly reduce the number of shootings, perhaps making it nearly 0.

And seriously, "the rot of society" is a very big problem to fix. Let's fix the easier ones first shall we?
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