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Posted 2/15/08

candichik wrote:


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It's sad that again we have another university related shooting. You can't change the rights to bear arms because if a criminal wants to find a gun their going to get one regardless of a law. As for bullying that's not an excuse anyone can use for justifying murder.


what about if youre gonna murder the bully? haha


????


I was saying that if youre going to murder the bully then its justified


ohhhh, I understand , but no I don't agree.


Whether being bullied or whatever, murdering the bully doenst make it justified, just makes you a murder, nothing more, nothing less.

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shit happens, always has, always will, changing gun laws wouldnt change that
Posted 2/15/08

cocoluvnihon wrote:
Obviously, this seems to be a trend ever since the Virginia Tech massacre. After this incident occured, there was a shooting at a university in Deleware,a shooting at a tech school in Louisiana, and now there was another massacre at Northern Illinois University. The sad part is is that universities doesn't seem as safe as it was before. It seems like people are likely to get killed trying to get an education and move on with their lives. What's your opinions on this?!

It's because people are prohibited from lawfully carrying concealed handguns on campus, so the shooters know that nobody is going to be able to stop them if they come onto campus with a gun and start shooting people.

Recently there was an attempted mass shooting at a church which was stopped because one of the members of the church was there with a legally carried concealed pistol, and shot the guy before he could do anything. If college campuses would stop being so stupid, people with concealed handgun permits could attend class and prevent anyone attempting a mass shooting in their class from doing so.

I don't know why people continue to indulge in the fantasy that someone with a concealed handgun permit will get angry and shoot someone. This basically never happens. The people who do this kind of thing are always the ones carrying guns illegally.

The other fantasy that people have is that posting a sign like "gun free zone" will stop people who intend to commit murder from walking into an area. I'm pretty sure that if you intend to murder someone, you're not going to care about a sign.
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shit happens, always has, always will, changing gun laws wouldnt change that


It makes less shit happen. Its a start. Allowing guns does nothing good.

If it does, tell me now. If all you can is go about the circular argument that guns will protect against guns, which will not be there with strict gun controls (making it prohibitively hard and damningly illegal to carry guns will significantly reduce the number of guns in a country, whether illegals or whatever like it or not), then no, that's no good.
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Posted 2/15/08

cardmage wrote:


auhsoj1234 wrote:

shit happens, always has, always will, changing gun laws wouldnt change that


It makes less shit happen. Its a start. Allowing guns does nothing good.

If it does, tell me now. If all you can is go about the circular argument that guns will protect against guns, which will not be there with strict gun controls (making it prohibitively hard and damningly illegal to carry guns will significantly reduce the number of guns in a country, whether illegals or whatever like it or not), then no, that's no good.


completely agree with cardmage...allowing possession of legal arms is the root of chaos...
Posted 2/15/08
no, people need to stop bullying other people and then they wouldnt get shot at! fo sho!!!!! supposedly the people are shooting cause they get bullied or something and when the think they had enough BS, they snap and go BERSERK and go on killing sprees. IF anyone is to BLAME, Blame the BULLY.
Do people honestly have fun bullying other people? what? are they trying to show off by bullying? How would you feel if someone bullyed you, i wouldnt know, but i bet it would feel like CRAP. MAIN problem is BULLYING, people think its all fun and games untill someone gets shot at.
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I live near NIU. The shooting really creeped me out, because this time it was only a few towns away rather than across the country. I also can't figure out what the hell was going through the shooter's head, though perhaps this is reasonable, as I am not a killer. What the fuck is wrong with people like him? Why the hell would anyone go to a school and kill their classmates, or the students presently there? What the hell. I just don't get it.
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no, people need to stop bullying other people and then they wouldnt get shot at! fo sho!!!!! supposedly the people are shooting cause they get bullied or something and when the think they had enough BS, they snap and go BERSERK and go on killing sprees. IF anyone is to BLAME, Blame the BULLY.
Do people honestly have fun bullying other people? what? are they trying to show off by bullying? How would you feel if someone bullyed you, i wouldnt know, but i bet it would feel like CRAP. MAIN problem is BULLYING, people think its all fun and games untill someone gets shot at.


What makes you think all these cases are results from bullying? Not all of the shootings that have taken place have been directed at certain people, some of them have been randomly taking shots. For all we know, a student could've gone crazy from being bell-curved to a failure from an overachieving class.
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it is not the university fault because they cant predict this...its just that some people have a wrong way of releasing pain and sufferings.
and i personally think that the possessin of legal arms should be banned. its just gives freedom for people to use it in the wrong way.
bullying? yes, i think it is the cause of most shootings. we should really give these people a kick in the ass.
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it's a fault of the teaching systems. masses of low paid people who really dont care about a good majority of the students because they cant be fucked to do their job at a better level. if you're getting paid to do a job, do it. if you dont like the money, quit. dont vent that at people. *thinks some people deffinatly deserve the crap kicked out of them. not shot though.
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It is really hard to decide as to whom the blaming finger should be pointed to. Morever, you'll never exactly know what's going on the minds of these kids nowadays. Looking at a larger picture music, entertainment, religion, society and family made those kids pull the trigger.

Like how the song goes " you can't talk peace and have a gun".
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I was talking about this to my friend this morning. I didn't really get why these random strangers with guns would shoot a college campus. It doesn't make sense. What are they getting out of it? I thought it was much more logical to shoot a bank, at least you got something out of it. It wasn't like you can get anything out of shooting a college... Weird.
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straawbeeryy wrote:
I was talking about this to my friend this morning. I didn't really get why these random strangers with guns would shoot a college campus. It doesn't make sense. What are they getting out of it? I thought it was much more logical to shoot a bank, at least you got something out of it. It wasn't like you can get anything out of shooting a college... Weird.


You get satisfaction. Lots and lots of satisfaction. I can almost empathize with that aspect of a shooting 'cause I'd sure love to get rid of certain types of people. The shitty sort of people that do shitty things like school shootings.

But you see, even were I in a position to do so and get away with it, I wouldn't for two reasons.

a) I respect the idea that a person should not take another's life.
b) I believe almost everyone can change for the better.

Same reasons I deride prison as an institution, and the death penalty. But that's another topic!

And come on folks, you don't mind the cops carrying a gun around, so what's the big deal?

Don't tell me "cops won't kill people!" either, 'cause it has happened. And I don't mean accidentally, I mean off-duty cops that've snapped.


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I don't know why people continue to indulge in the fantasy that someone with a concealed handgun permit will get angry and shoot someone. This basically never happens.


Too fucking true. Everything I've read and learnt about this subject suggests that gun control is pointless and silly. Here are some statistics.



Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:

"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence." (13)

When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them. (13)(15)

Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:

Florida
homicide rate
-36%

firearm homicide rate
-37%

handgun homicide rate
-41%

United States
homicide rate
-0.4%

firearm homicide rate
+15%

handgun homicide rate
+24%
(3)

221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. (15)

As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense. (7)

As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life. (7)


I realize this evidence cannot be generalized to the issue as a whole, but seriously, I have yet to see any real data suggesting otherwise. Somebody feel free to post some if you've got it.
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i say college teachers should be allowed a pistol that they can secretly stash somewhere. each teacher will have their own secret place that no one else is allowed to know about(though, students and other teachers might have an idea where some guns are held---that's not avoidable, some people are more apt to notice than others)

schools are targeted because they don't have anything to fight back with(duh)
hell, i say students should be allowed weapons too(maybe create a campus police of volunteer students that have to go through training and stuff?---so that we don't have to take away real police from the area just to guard campuses)

just put yourself in the killer's shoes, would you attack a police station? hell no. would you attack the white house? hell no
the bank? hell no unless you're armed from head to toe

getting rid of our right to bear arms is not the solution
people need to know that illegal arsenals number in the millions(there are millions of gang members everywhere.. assume that each has their own firearm. because pretty much, almost all of them do)








Thats just bloody crazy lmao. Giving a teacher a firearm? How will the kindergarten kids act when they see that their teacher is packing a piece then they think it's a toy?
In the UK gun crime is still around but we dont get ppl shooting each other in Uni, college etc. It may happen once a blue moon but it's not as bad as america.
And america will never give up their firearm rights so I guess the Uni and stuff need to have police stationed on Campus.

I guess there will always be some bullied kid close to the edge...
Posted 2/16/08

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Yang4Real wrote:

no, people need to stop bullying other people and then they wouldnt get shot at! fo sho!!!!! supposedly the people are shooting cause they get bullied or something and when the think they had enough BS, they snap and go BERSERK and go on killing sprees. IF anyone is to BLAME, Blame the BULLY.
Do people honestly have fun bullying other people? what? are they trying to show off by bullying? How would you feel if someone bullyed you, i wouldnt know, but i bet it would feel like CRAP. MAIN problem is BULLYING, people think its all fun and games untill someone gets shot at.


What makes you think all these cases are results from bullying? Not all of the shootings that have taken place have been directed at certain people, some of them have been randomly taking shots. For all we know, a student could've gone crazy from being bell-curved to a failure from an overachieving class.


what makes me think this is because.... Virginia Tech, Columbine, and alot of other shootings... supposedly they were bullied.
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