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It can't normalize pedophilia honestly as most people who look at it aren't pedophiles nor find children attractive.
Also im talking about drugs that don't cause violence or kill people heavy drugs are a different story.


pedophilia
[ped-uh-fil-ee-uh or, esp. British, pee-duh-]
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noun, Psychiatry.
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sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Why would someone look at child pornography if they don't find children attractive?
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slendercookieman wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


It can't normalize pedophilia honestly as most people who look at it aren't pedophiles nor find children attractive.
Also im talking about drugs that don't cause violence or kill people heavy drugs are a different story.


pedophilia
[ped-uh-fil-ee-uh or, esp. British, pee-duh-]
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Examples Word Origin
noun, Psychiatry.
1.
sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Why would someone look at child pornography if they don't find children attractive?


They wouldn't look at real children unless they found real children attractive.
people that look at lolicon don't find real children attractive most of the time atleast me and people i have known/know don't :P
also they are not pedophiles either.
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The categories of Pedophiles and those who eat fast food probably overlap too.

Correlation ≠ Causation

Sure there will more than likely be a stronger correlation... but they are more than likely not created by the media.


How do you know this? Again, I don't think you are qualified to make that statement.


Nor am I qualified to make the previous statement... qualifications are mere entitlements and proofs granted by authority. Content should take priority, go and commission a proper study if you want something concrete.

If we are going to apply morals, ideals, and laws to censor and criminalize fiction, let's apply it more broadly. Use the same set of ideals set forth for protecting people to protect fiction. If a human is innocent until proven guilty, then prove this specific media guilty of causation. Prove that this media is the exception that cannot be granted the same protections extended to violent and historic media.


You are correct that qualifications - as in, degrees bestowed or certifications - are just pieces of paper, but to be qualified is actually to possess relevant skills or knowledge. It is unfortunate that qualifications do not always mirror skill, but skill and knowledge are still things that really exist - which means that experts to whose authority we ought to defer also really exist. I am not an authority on this particular topic, and given the way you talk I don't think you are either. This means that you cannot use our lack of expertise as support for your position, and you also should not make statements pronouncing greater or lesser likelihood given your lack of expertise. And so I could just as easily counter your request that I "prove" a causative link between lolicon hentai and pedophilia by asking you to provide evidence that such a link does not exist. (Proof is not possible in science.) As you said, the correct thing to do would, in fact, be to commission a study - which, again, indicates that you are not qualified to make pronouncements on the subject. Asking me to produce a study when I have not made any claims but only questioned the authority of yours, while you yourself make claims without citing a study, is hypocritical.

I am not sure that I would agree with the judicial standard you want to apply. In particular, that is not how a society would consider laws regarding the use of potentially harmful chemicals. Poison is not innocent until proven guilty.
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So...is this about lolicon or laws being a result of current societal ideas as to what constitutes order?

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Posted 3/13/17

Ryulightorb wrote:


slendercookieman wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


It can't normalize pedophilia honestly as most people who look at it aren't pedophiles nor find children attractive.
Also im talking about drugs that don't cause violence or kill people heavy drugs are a different story.


pedophilia
[ped-uh-fil-ee-uh or, esp. British, pee-duh-]
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Examples Word Origin
noun, Psychiatry.
1.
sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Why would someone look at child pornography if they don't find children attractive?


They wouldn't look at real children unless they found real children attractive.
people that look at lolicon don't find real children attractive most of the time atleast me and people i have known/know don't :P
also they are not pedophiles either.


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slendercookieman wrote:

You didn't answer my question


>> Good luck getting a straight answer i don't expect much from this poster..
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auroraloose wrote:

You are correct that qualifications - as in, degrees bestowed or certifications - are just pieces of paper, but to be qualified is actually to possess relevant skills or knowledge. It is unfortunate that qualifications do not always mirror skill, but skill and knowledge are still things that really exist - which means that experts to whose authority we ought to defer also really exist. I am not an authority on this particular topic, and given the way you talk I don't think you are either. This means that you cannot use our lack of expertise as support for your position, and you also should not make statements pronouncing greater or lesser likelihood given your lack of expertise. And so I could just as easily counter your request that I "prove" a causative link between lolicon hentai and pedophilia by asking you to provide evidence that such a link does not exist. (Proof is not possible in science.) As you said, the correct thing to do would, in fact, be to commission a study - which, again, indicates that you are not qualified to make pronouncements on the subject. Asking me to produce a study when I have not made any claims but only questioned the authority of yours, while you yourself make claims without citing a study, is hypocritical.

I am not sure that I would agree with the judicial standard you want to apply. In particular, that is not how a society would consider laws regarding the use of potentially harmful chemicals. Poison is not innocent until proven guilty.


I'm guilty of using the generalist "you" (to the thread) while quoting you. I'm making these reaches to demonstrate that, yes, it would be absurd to apply a standard set for one subject onto another. Why are we prematurely legislating without viable supporting evidence?

I will always be biased toward individual liberties for as long as they don't infringe upon another's. It is an American ideal, and I push it just like others would push their own. Precedent is very important in law, and I will dissent from popular opinions to prevent dangerous precedents from being set or spread.

I will not easily grant governments the tools required for oppression. Just look at how the Patriot Act has been turned against our own citizens...

I do not want to allow a vector to introduce a propaganda based thought-police. We have enough of that in the world.
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slendercookieman wrote:

You didn't answer my question


yes if they are looking at real children
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MysteryMiss wrote:

>> Good luck getting a straight answer i don't expect much from this poster..


That's a bit rude don't you think?
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PrinceJudar wrote:

So...is this about lolicon or laws being a result of current societal ideas as to what constitutes order?



second one is spot on ;P
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PrinceJudar wrote:

So...is this about lolicon or laws being a result of current societal ideas as to what constitutes order?



Good question

It means different things to different people. I personally draw the line before it reaches loli-hentai on my moral compass. I'm more concerned that ideas themselves are being criminalized based upon what is popular with society. Too much order can itself lead to chaos; dissent is important. When dissent is oppressed, historically speaking, chaos ensues.
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this thread is full retard and the op is a pedo
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TL;DR: Might have had a point but op chose really weird hill to die on.

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Been speaking about this from my own perspective for awhile. Society is broke, has been broke, and will forever be broke until we figure out the significance of our ability to communicate like this.

For example, before there is law... nothing. After individuals begin defining notions like good and evil, law comes about as a redaction simplifying the same argument into a collective manner that the masses can understand and agree upon or not. Simplifying what one should be... ya that's a creativity killer. While after making laws, masses that gave into such nonsense now blind themselves to being any other way because they believe the word law has meaning. Well one obvious result of this for anyone that believes the bible bases upon some truth while enormously in redaction, we have shorter life by suppressing our creativity.

Sure one can understand something to make their own meaning, but to undefine everything you understand to a point of unifying everything you are into a way to relate absolutely no attachment while still understanding you're perfectly fine without the crutches of law to find any meaning is the same as ending your slavery once believing in law to rediscover limitless creativity because you will stop telling yourself no about something. Consider this... when you think to yourself do you often end thought because of laws of prohibiting? There you go, creativity killer, purpose killer, lifespan shortener. If we got no purpose, we move on. Society has been apart of encouraging the masses to only find purpose in supporting others but only in the way someone else can dictate unless you feel like convincing others to not be so lame.

There is never any benefit to repression unless one of us can end all repression. Dictating laws is repressing yourself and whoever believes. Unhappy with society you say? Cool beans, that's the way society works til perfecting society. Societies that masses were happy enough with to eventually create the myth of pandora only retaining hope for all of us that we someday get back to what can be... well gotta understand defining creation to understand that by the point pandora comes around, repression is at a peak that has been constantly rising ever since.

Beyond law being garbage, until you destroy it from your perspective and experience what happens upon ending your repression, hope is another stagnating factor that keeps society complacent in repressing itself, every child born, and all those one calls animals or consciouness. With this comes starvation, largely because individuals choose not to nurture themselves except for on the blind following in subservience to their chosen rulers. Well congratz, we both were born into this.

Fortunate for all of us, this comes with the most perks possible. Creation in all I know rewards us for enduring suffering of any sort as long as we can unsimplify whatever we determine is our suffering into something that others can understand beyond the word suffering. Understanding voice, defining, light... all the same stuff is literally all the mythologies at once. While everything we do makes us more and to completely end repression that comes with believing in broken society one has to understand everything as one... or nothing.

Now as to loli stuff. Everything that ever considers themselves human understands the story of adam and eve. Spirituality includes loli stuff if one believes they can make their own daughter/wife out of nothing. This is also the story of isis, while remaining secret and hidden is the way of devilry because nothing can ever hide itself once others perceive. To hide for real is much greater than being around others and speaking in secrets as to not give away your choices. Well isis, also the idea of a 3rd eye (often depicted snakelike) or any manifestation of yourself that entangles, is literally almost the ultimate in loli porn except whatever appears in form isn't going to be until you're ready to handle what it is to do this that nowadays has a terrorist cult, also in significance of purpose, relating itself to isis while purposefully deciding that everything is already so horrible... might as well make everything worse until heaven comes, isis members do believe they are speeding up the return of a savior by making everything the worst is can be as fast as possible.

So ya, society blows. Independence and actual freedom does not require a society. Perfecting a society that can last forever requires understanding everyone... forever. Leaders that only attempt to fulfill desires dismiss that tempting oneself in desire can often result in calamity (isis relates to whore of babylon that many holocausts were started to wipe out (terrorism all around)). Failures of society understanding others always includes those that say they are here to lead neglecting the best for all and only working to self-gratify in a minimalist approach because of pretend secrecy. Also why isis isn't the best version of making your own wife from nothing... secrecy means you are twisted.. untwisting yourself is opening consciousness up to more.

Another factor that keeps society shitty... cowardice of any individual to speak past the laws one might know to be bullshit even while that cult mentality has already affected your friends, family, and all you meet accepting of society.
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cippy_06 wrote:

this thread is full retard and the op is a pedo


No it isn't and no i am not that is fucking disgusting mate.
Pedo's are people who like kid's which is just fked in the head.
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