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Westerners may also have low tolerance to moe fandom in general
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Seriously? You don't like Berserk?! Have you seen it??

(edit: I'm talking about the original, haven't watched the new one)


It must be sent into the abyss. Never to be see the light of day again. Forever, in darkness, like my many childhood drawings.


Give me a list of which series you like......... I'll show you just exactly how much moe is in them


No.


It's okay. It's all of them. Even something like Flowers of Evil


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I think the key thing here is that "westerners" do not get the same things out of so-called moe anime as people obsessed with moe do. Anything can have "moe", but it will not resonate or even mean anything to them.


You don't have to be obsessed with anything to like something.
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Even if you like something, you might not call it 'moe'. I might "like" all the girls in Interviews, but I would not ever say I feel 'moe' or find 'moe' or whatever 'moe' is derived thereby. It is a nonexistent thing. It does not pertain.
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I always thought moe and sexy were different things.
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Simply, "Moe" is synonymous to "Appeal".


Everyone has different strike zones, obviously. Which is why there's such a wide range. I'd even say it slightly creeps into the realm of general non-sexual fetish.

Also, Rin is best girl LL, get it right...
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am instantly reminded of the brit woman going to japan to pick a fight w/ girls und panzer's illust over anime loli porn

girls und panzer dealing w/ "child porn" is news to me
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Moe died a long time ago.
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Moe died a long time ago.


Right before Larry, but after Curly, between Shemp.
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People just like "substance" and claim moe can't have "substance" in my experience of people who dislike it they want grand plots and feel moe detracts from the overall feeling for some reason others think it's creepy though I often wonder how much of that is self projection or intolerance out of fear they will like it. It's easier for some to condemn stuff they are in fear of appreciating than accept that they like it I say this because I have caught more than one person I know watching series with moe elements shortly after they saw me watch some so I can only recite my own experiences that went on to form an opinion. After all no matter how much people dislike cute things human instinct draws people to things that are cute so for the people who fit that potential explanation they are attempting to abolish part of their human nature.
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Exactly. Alright real talk. Comparing this discussion to one of my favorite animes

Moe does not stick with a specific representation.

Seeing a mature character wearing a maid outfit = Moe
Seeing a mature character speaking high pitch and adorable=Moe

Samurai Bride made that perfectly clear people, though the characters themselves aren't considered "adults" this is done more so for catering to the the culture of Moe. Even the charcter Yukimura was my least favorite character due to the depiction of being a flat chested little girl, and it never settled well with me, but her character leveled out due to her attitude of not being a squeaky annoying character, she can even represent certain adults due to her disposition as a character. This is why I don't look at her character as something taboo, but more on the lines of inexperienced, which is funny, because that can be said about every single character, they actually worked that out very well. They have even done more questionable situations in favor of innocents, which again is purely for another audience which I don't enjoy watching, it's wrong. So why do I enjoy Samurai Bride? Because of great characters, art style, story and animation. Something not for Western culture, I actually enjoy it due to the way all of the characters interact, humor, emotion, connection. No harm done, with shades of grey. This is why western culture is so unsure, because of those shades of grey introduced to us as culture within anime.

Even though if you went into detail about what age these characters actually are, they love just throwing barely legal into the scenario, but their character design says otherwise with unrealistic proportions and curves. Again it's all about specifically catering to a different audience.

I'm all for cute, and I'm not going to knock that. Like in Charlotte, the main Characters sister always making food for him that's disgusting and being all cute and shit, that's funny. Or in flying witch with Chinatsu, again that's cute and adorable.

I like Moe when it's good, or I really love the characters, but as I also stated, have respect for good characters, and we won't have a problem especially when moe is their #1 trait.


But people obsess, which is where I draw the line, and I have made my point pretty clear that doing so is wrong. I'm all for the preservation of youth, but for fuck sakes people, just stop for a minute and look at yourself.
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Simply, "Moe" is synonymous to "Appeal".


Everyone has different strike zones, obviously. Which is why there's such a wide range. I'd even say it slightly creeps into the realm of general non-sexual fetish.

Also, Rin is best girl LL, get it right...


Yes, moe is basically "charm".

I admit Rin appears to be the most popular of the bunch from 1st gen LL

Before I started the chara shrines I gathered feedback and Rin got the most feedback and thus was the easiest to do (besides Nico of course, since I could say plenty of stuff about her myself).

http://susume-lovelive.wixsite.com/love-live/rin-hoshizora-shrine


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am instantly reminded of the brit woman going to japan to pick a fight w/ girls und panzer's illust over anime loli porn

girls und panzer dealing w/ "child porn" is news to me


I haven't seen GUP myself so I wouldn't know what that person's talking about... To some people probably anything with panty shots and/or skimpy getups would be porn. I remember Agent Aika and Daphne in the Brilliant Blue


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Moe died a long time ago.


The height may have passed but there are still plenty of series where a large portion of "charm points" are spent on moe aspects. Basically anything that has to do with any kind of "-dere" (tsundere / kuudere / et ectera) still appeal mainly to moe.


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People just like "substance" and claim moe can't have "substance" in my experience of people who dislike it they want grand plots and feel moe detracts from the overall feeling for some reason others think it's creepy though I often wonder how much of that is self projection or intolerance out of fear they will like it. It's easier for some to condemn stuff they are in fear of appreciating than accept that they like it I say this because I have caught more than one person I know watching series with moe elements shortly after they saw me watch some so I can only recite my own experiences that went on to form an opinion. After all no matter how much people dislike cute things human instinct draws people to things that are cute so for the people who fit that potential explanation they are attempting to abolish part of their human nature.


I understand guilty pleasure (Strawberry Panic and Simoun are yuri but have great stories with deep meaning behind them) and I think that's part of what bothers people. I agree that some don't like cute things because they think they're not supposed to like cute things.
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I think it's just a cultural thing more than a weird sister complex or anything. I haven't been to Japan, but I heard they sell cute moe type items everywhere. That's probably why it's featured so much in Anime.
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Exactly. Alright real talk. Comparing this discussion to one of my favorite animes

Moe does not stick with a specific representation.

Seeing a mature character wearing a maid outfit = Moe
Seeing a mature character speaking high pitch and adorable=Moe

Samurai Bride made that perfectly clear people, though the characters themselves aren't considered "adults" this is done more so for catering to the the culture of Moe. Even the charcter Yukimura was my least favorite character due to the depiction of being a flat chested little girl, and it never settled well with me, but her character leveled out due to her attitude of not being a squeaky annoying character, she can even represent certain adults due to her disposition as a character. This is why I don't look at her character as something taboo, but more on the lines of inexperienced, which is funny, because that can be said about every single character, they actually worked that out very well. They have even done more questionable situations in favor of innocents, which again is purely for another audience which I don't enjoy watching, it's wrong. So why do I enjoy Samurai Bride? Because of great characters, art style, story and animation. Something not for Western culture, I actually enjoy it due to the way all of the characters interact, humor, emotion, connection. No harm done, with shades of grey. This is why western culture is so unsure, because of those shades of grey introduced to us as culture within anime.

Even though if you went into detail about what age these characters actually are, they love just throwing barely legal into the scenario, but their character design says otherwise with unrealistic proportions and curves. Again it's all about specifically catering to a different audience.

I'm all for cute, and I'm not going to knock that. Like in Charlotte, the main Characters sister always making food for him that's disgusting and being all cute and shit, that's funny. Or in flying witch with Chinatsu, again that's cute and adorable.

I like Moe when it's good, or I really love the characters, but as I also stated, have respect for good characters, and we won't have a problem especially when moe is their #1 trait.


But people obsess, which is where I draw the line, and I have made my point pretty clear that doing so is wrong. I'm all for the preservation of youth, but for fuck sakes people, just stop for a minute and look at yourself.


Yes, half of moe is about a character being charming in various way and having cute/lovable behavior, for example chuunibyou.

As far as unhealthy obsession is concerned, I see it as straying too far from societal norms (e.g. that "school system" I talked about) rather than things such as spending a lot of time on something... I've spent quite a lot of time on some Japanese mobile phone games and so does hundreds of millions of other people.


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I think it's just a cultural thing more than a weird sister complex or anything. I haven't been to Japan, but I heard they sell cute moe type items everywhere. That's probably why it's featured so much in Anime.


They do advertise just about everything with moe mascots. Google "moe mascots" and you'd see things all the way from adverts for tourism to safety to random products to everything else.
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Westerners have a low tolerance to anime fandom in general, however, I don't think "moe" really has much to do with that. "Moe" as an idea isn't really exclusive to Japan or anime (although the application might be). Theres plenty of Western media which seeks to evoke feeling of "moe" (that is "cute characters who make you feel the urge to protect them). The first Despicable Me movie to me was extremely "moe" and nobody had a problem with it.
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Westerners have a low tolerance to anime fandom in general, however, I don't think "moe" really has much to do with that. "Moe" as an idea isn't really exclusive to Japan or anime (although the application might be). Theres plenty of Western media which seeks to evoke feeling of "moe" (that is "cute characters who make you feel the urge to protect them). The first Despicable Me movie to me was extremely "moe" and nobody had a problem with it.


Perhaps people don't have problems with Despicable Me since the little yellow characters don't look human at all.
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sundin13 wrote:

Westerners have a low tolerance to anime fandom in general, however, I don't think "moe" really has much to do with that. "Moe" as an idea isn't really exclusive to Japan or anime (although the application might be). Theres plenty of Western media which seeks to evoke feeling of "moe" (that is "cute characters who make you feel the urge to protect them). The first Despicable Me movie to me was extremely "moe" and nobody had a problem with it.


Perhaps people don't have problems with Despicable Me since the little yellow characters don't look human at all.


Oh, I wasn't referring to the minions. I was referring to the kids:

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