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Post Reply Westerners may also have low tolerance to moe fandom in general
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While it to sometimes stray from visual representations, moe frequently depicts the "Cuteness Ratio" which appeals to basic mammalian instinct. If you've ever seen videos like a big cat protecting a baby monkey or something along those lines... that's the instinct in action. The instinct to protect the young.

I too can say I like moe, but the effect wears off quick if the show doesn't have any other appeal. I just don't enjoy those "cute girls doing cute things" slice-of-life type shows. It's just not the world for me, as is many other things.

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nanikore2 wrote:



Yes, half of moe is about a character being charming in various way and having cute/lovable behavior, for example chuunibyou.

As far as unhealthy obsession is concerned, I see it as straying too far from societal norms (e.g. that "school system" I talked about) rather than things such as spending a lot of time on something... I've spent quite a lot of time on some Japanese mobile phone games and so does hundreds of millions of other people.




Agreed, as long as people remember why they started spending their time on something. As long as you can accept certain behavior to be wrong, and as long as we respect the outside world as a reminder that everyone must be appreciated to match their own level of comfort and safety.

I have my walls, we all have our own boundaries, but people need to see certain situations the same way everyone else does, and thats mainly the point I was trying to get at.
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sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

Westerners have a low tolerance to anime fandom in general, however, I don't think "moe" really has much to do with that. "Moe" as an idea isn't really exclusive to Japan or anime (although the application might be). Theres plenty of Western media which seeks to evoke feeling of "moe" (that is "cute characters who make you feel the urge to protect them). The first Despicable Me movie to me was extremely "moe" and nobody had a problem with it.


Perhaps people don't have problems with Despicable Me since the little yellow characters don't look human at all.


Oh, I wasn't referring to the minions. I was referring to the kids:



I haven't found much of anything American to be moe yet (personal taste)... although I do think a doe-eyed Puss In Boots to be one of the most hilarious things in the world.

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minions are moe and u cant tell me otherwise
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I can stand some moe, but if the whole show is just about five young girls with the same cutesy personalities exchanging pleasantries for the length of the episode, I do find it a bit grating.

Anyway, I've heard that the Japanese aren't necessarily all fond of moe otaku stuff, either.
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I love moe anime. So relaxing. I'll watch any day a great moe title like Azumanga Daioh, Non Non Biyori, Hidamari Sketch, Lucky Star (fully half of my watched list is moe and/or slice of life so you get the picture)

Probably lowers blood pressure more than petting kittens
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Honestly, I don't see much room for discussion. If the definition is unclear, that is.

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I find moe SoL to be okay to watch casually. Require low doses. I can't stand a constant stream of doing cutesy stuff. KINMOZA being one example, though the "english" from the "english" characters is so dumb. I'd love to have some multilingual seiyuu. Otherwise I need something else to work with. Acton works, compelling story also good. Even if they are meh, its at least better than just dumbness. Otherwise I just fall asleep, as most anime watching goes on while I'm in bed.
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Nice thread.
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The begs the question: Should Japan make more anime and manga suitable for everyone or should they only focus on the people in their country?
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moe is nice.
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I think this has a lot to do with how western society views how certain people should and should not act. Take for example moe and gender stereotypes. If any of my friends say something like "aww ;3". no one would really bat an eye (most of my friends are female). However, if I ever say something like that to, lets say my favorite pokemon Meloetta, my friends would snicker a bit, and strangers would turn to me with a "wtf?" :I kind of stare. If my crazy bi-polar friend was ever caught saying that, in an ironic way, we would suddenly think he was crazy and start to be paranoid. 8I

and that's just gender stereotypes. Not even including age, generational, social, racial, etc. Hell, if i ever caught my grandparents watching ANYTHING on crunchyroll, my mind would be blown for an entire week.

So unless your young, female, and slightly nerdy, people who aren't anime fans will view you as strange for liking moe, because it defies stereotypical expectations. Oh, who am I trying to fool? Everyone who likes anime will be judged (poorly) by everyone who isn't an anime fan.

At least it has gotten a little better over the years. 10 years ago, if I was ever walking out in public in cosplay, I would of been beaten, robbed, and laughed at. Now all I get is stares and the occasional "Sweet costume mate!" (Yes, I do that occasionally, usually to test out a new cosplay before it's fully finished to see how it feels and tweak problems. Nothing tells you more that your costume is cumbersome, hot and uncomfortable like a 2 mile walk to the coffee shop.)
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Kavalion wrote:

I can stand some moe, but if the whole show is just about five young girls with the same cutesy personalities exchanging pleasantries for the length of the episode, I do find it a bit grating.

Anyway, I've heard that the Japanese aren't necessarily all fond of moe otaku stuff, either.


Going plotless for episodes on end wouldn't grate on my nerves as much as make me lose interest. There has to be at least some kind of plot, however thin, that goes on in the background.

I think after about 5 or so episodes of Lucky Star I started to try finding something a little more exciting.


Balzack wrote:

I love moe anime. So relaxing. I'll watch any day a great moe title like Azumanga Daioh, Non Non Biyori, Hidamari Sketch, Lucky Star (fully half of my watched list is moe and/or slice of life so you get the picture)

Probably lowers blood pressure more than petting kittens


I remember before there were streaming sites I used to torrent a whole bunch of those kinds of shows only to make it halfway through all of them before switching.

I did make it through a whole season of Aria The Natural but couldn't bring myself to watch the subsequent ones.

I think what I look for in shows is some kind of emotional involvement, and if it gets too relaxing I tend to lose interest.

(I loved Fushigi Yuugi because it was so emotionally manipulative... I'm sucker for that kind of emotional manipulation, same goes for Vision of Escaflowne)


Lance_Clemings wrote:

I think this has a lot to do with how western society views how certain people should and should not act. Take for example moe and gender stereotypes. If any of my friends say something like "aww ;3". no one would really bat an eye (most of my friends are female). However, if I ever say something like that to, lets say my favorite pokemon Meloetta, my friends would snicker a bit, and strangers would turn to me with a "wtf?" :I kind of stare. If my crazy bi-polar friend was ever caught saying that, in an ironic way, we would suddenly think he was crazy and start to be paranoid. 8I



You have hit the nail on the head, my friend.


I only say "aw so cute" silently. On the inside.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

The begs the question: Should Japan make more anime and manga suitable for everyone or should they only focus on the people in their country?


The studios should keep making whichever anime they judge to be their favorite balance between profitability and everything else (artistic expression, innovation, message, et cetera).

I'm sure in recent years the studios are becoming more aware of foreign audiences, but their domestic market of course still come first- For every series or movies there are tons of tie-in products that don't appear overseas for various reasons.

The most important thing for the industry is surviving and thriving. Fans can choose from whatever they want to watch.


DarthRutsula wrote:

I find moe SoL to be okay to watch casually. Require low doses. I can't stand a constant stream of doing cutesy stuff. KINMOZA being one example, though the "english" from the "english" characters is so dumb. I'd love to have some multilingual seiyuu. Otherwise I need something else to work with. Acton works, compelling story also good. Even if they are meh, its at least better than just dumbness. Otherwise I just fall asleep, as most anime watching goes on while I'm in bed.


That reminds me of A Little Snow Fairy Sugar, the super duper sugary sweet show which causes tooth decay just by watching...
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nanikore2 wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

The begs the question: Should Japan make more anime and manga suitable for everyone or should they only focus on the people in their country?


The studios should keep making whichever anime they judge to be their favorite balance between profitability and everything else (artistic expression, innovation, message, et cetera).

I'm sure in recent years the studios are becoming more aware of foreign audiences, but their domestic market of course still come first- For every series or movies there are tons of tie-in products that don't appear overseas for various reasons.

The most important thing for the industry is surviving and thriving. Fans can choose from whatever they want to watch.



Makes sense.
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