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Marvel's Iron Fist came out on Netflix yesterday. Time for discussions, please leave spoilers in spoiler tags for folks who haven't had a chance to see it yet.

Overall, I think it's a pretty fun kung-fu series and a decent comic adaptation. It doesn't suffer from some of the awkwardness in introducing comic book elements like Luke Cage or Dare Devil. There is a hint of the weirdness with introducing villains in the third act that's popped up in other marvel netflix adaptations, but it helps to further develop characters and leads into a pretty satisfying finale.



Most of the fights are pretty satisfying, although there are times when Danny is clearly jobbing to stretch out a fight for dialogue. Drunken Fist guy was by far to coolest fight of the series.

While not without it's flaws, I'd say Iron Fist is definitely worth a watch.
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Only about half way through it but I'm really enjoying it so far

no idea why the critics hated it. It's like the decided they have to hate something Marvel is doing and pulled this name out of a hat
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Greylurker wrote:

no idea why the critics hated it.


Have you tried looking at the reviews?
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octorockandroll wrote:


Greylurker wrote:

no idea why the critics hated it.


Have you tried looking at the reviews?


ype and I don't agree with them.

I think Finn did a good job as Danny, I enjoyed the action scenes. Joy and Ward are both very well developed characters and the actors did a splendid job with them.

about the only thing I agree with is that Jessica Henwick did a great job as Coleen Wing..

Ok it's not as good as Jessica Johns or the first half of Luke Cage but it's still pretty good.

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octorockandroll wrote:

Have you tried looking at the reviews?


Most of the reviews I've seen to center around the critics hating Danny as a character and being unimpressed with the fight scenes. Seems like if you view Danny as some kind of poser frat-boy, you're not going to enjoy Iron Fist.
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qwueri wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Have you tried looking at the reviews?


Most of the reviews I've seen to center around the critics hating Danny as a character and being unimpressed with the fight scenes. Seems like if you view Danny as some kind of poser frat-boy, you're not going to enjoy Iron Fist.


I've also heard that there's just no consistency with Danny's character. He apparently goes from naïve to secretive to traumatized to slick business guy from scene to scene with no cohesion. They also said that Finn Jones plays the role with no charisma and judging by the fact that his response was to blame Trump, I can believe it.
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octorockandroll wrote:

I've also heard that there's just no consistency with Danny's character. He apparently goes from naïve to secretive to traumatized to slick business guy from scene to scene with no cohesion. They also said that Finn Jones plays the role with no charisma and judging by the fact that his response was to blame Trump, I can believe it.


No idea what the Trump thing is about, but Finn plays a complicated character who gets thrown into a confusing situation where he wants to reconnect with his past, everyone around him thinks he's after money, and he winds up going after the money because it's the only way he can reconnect while maintaining his name and what's left of his father's legacy. He has trauma that keeps getting flashed back to especially during times of stress and hardship.

Lack of cohesion is not something I would accuse Danny's character of, although it could easily come across as that if the reviewer was already disengaged and not actively following what was going on form scene to scene.
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qwueri wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I've also heard that there's just no consistency with Danny's character. He apparently goes from naïve to secretive to traumatized to slick business guy from scene to scene with no cohesion. They also said that Finn Jones plays the role with no charisma and judging by the fact that his response was to blame Trump, I can believe it.


No idea what the Trump thing is about, but Finn plays a complicated character who gets thrown into a confusing situation where he wants to reconnect with his past, everyone around him thinks he's after money, and he winds up going after the money because it's the only way he can reconnect while maintaining his name and what's left of his father's legacy. He has trauma that keeps getting flashed back to especially during times of stress and hardship.

Lack of cohesion is not something I would accuse Danny's character of, although it could easily come across as that if the reviewer was already disengaged and not actively following what was going on form scene to scene.


Well I haven't seen it so I wouldn't know.

Also here is the Trump thing in case you care.


I’m playing a white American billionaire superhero, at a time when the white American billionaire archetype is public enemy number one, especially in the US. We filmed the show way before Trump’s election, and I think it’s very interesting to see how that perception, now that Trump’s in power, how it makes it very difficult to root for someone coming from white privilege, when that archetype is public enemy number one.


-Finn Jones explaining why people aren't liking Iron Fist.
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Also here is the Trump thing in case you care.


I’m playing a white American billionaire superhero, at a time when the white American billionaire archetype is public enemy number one, especially in the US. We filmed the show way before Trump’s election, and I think it’s very interesting to see how that perception, now that Trump’s in power, how it makes it very difficult to root for someone coming from white privilege, when that archetype is public enemy number one.


-Finn Jones explaining why people aren't liking Iron Fist.



Can't say I've really seen any element of that in any of the negative reviews I've seen, but it's not the first time an actor/director/anyone involved with a film tries to spin negativity away from their own work.
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lackluster fight scenes, boring character, boring plot..I felt it was an extremely poor adaptation
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Only about half way through it but I'm really enjoying it so far

no idea why the critics hated it. It's like the decided they have to hate something Marvel is doing and pulled this name out of a hat


I believe many critics jumped on the "white wash" bandwagon and decided all to hate it because it wasn't "diverse", then nitpicked at everything. Guaranteed, if it was an asian as the main character, they would have rated it higher. Really it's such a shame that this is what makes people mad... Iron Fist was a white guy to begin with, people are just being hysterical for such a minor reason. I'll never really understand the white washing anger, to me it's such a non issue. Sorry that America is predominately white (70% of the population) and that Iron Fist was a white guy to begin with. Honestly, I think it's more racist to say that because Iron Fist masters kung fu that he has to be asian. Uh, stereotyping much?

Base the show on its merits of writing, acting, and production quality, and not if it's diverse or not. Certainly I'd love more diverse casts of characters with different ethnic backgrounds, I mean look at how awesome Walking Dead is, but hating a show because "it's not diverse enough, OMG!!!" I think is ridiculous. Not every show has to be diverse to be good, I think that's a dangerous idea. Pick your battles with the white washing thing wisely I say because eventually it's going to make people take those complaints less seriously (and it already is happening).

The show should be as the original creator entailed it, and Iron Fist was a white character in the comics and the studio wanted to preserve the original character. Give them a break!


The hell do you have to throw the race card at it for? Yeah, a couple people were made uncomfortable by the character's ethnicity, but that shouldn't invalidate every criticism ever leveled at the show. Especially not if your main defense for why people should be okay with it today is because people were ok with it 40 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for respecting the source material, but this show is so far off from the comics that I honestly don't think changing the ethnicity of the main character would have been as big of a departure in comparison.

Seriously, what parts of this show align with the comics? The tone is different, there's no Iron Fist costume, Danny already looks completely different without a change of ethnicity, The Hand are unrecognizable and the entire reason Danny being a white guy was even important to his character in the first place is nowhere to be found. In the original comics him being both a white guy and the one to inherit the mystical art of the Iron Fist was that it made him a cultural outsider. In the Netflix series we barely see K'un L'un and when we do that entire aspect of the character is never addressed.

So yeah, this show, like every other show, has issues. If you don't really mind those issues or you disagree with people who don't like the show more power to you. But you can't just go and act like the only reason people don't like it is because it's not diverse enough. That's just as bad a deflection as Finn Jones blaming Trump for the show's poor reception.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:


Greylurker wrote:

Only about half way through it but I'm really enjoying it so far

no idea why the critics hated it. It's like the decided they have to hate something Marvel is doing and pulled this name out of a hat


I believe many critics jumped on the "white wash" bandwagon and decided all to hate it because it wasn't "diverse", then nitpicked at everything. Guaranteed, if it was an asian as the main character, they would have rated it higher. Really it's such a shame that this is what makes people mad... Iron Fist was a white guy to begin with, people are just being hysterical for such a minor reason. I'll never really understand the white washing anger, to me it's such a non issue. Sorry that America is predominately white (70% of the population) and that Iron Fist was a white guy to begin with. Honestly, I think it's more racist to say that because Iron Fist masters kung fu that he has to be asian. Uh, stereotyping much?

Base the show on its merits of writing, acting, and production quality, and not if it's diverse or not. Certainly I'd love more diverse casts of characters with different ethnic backgrounds, I mean look at how awesome Walking Dead is, but hating a show because "it's not diverse enough, OMG!!!" I think is ridiculous. Not every show has to be diverse to be good, I think that's a dangerous idea. Pick your battles with the white washing thing wisely I say because eventually it's going to make people take those complaints less seriously (and it already is happening).

The show should be as the original creator entailed it, and Iron Fist was a white character in the comics and the studio wanted to preserve the original character. Give them a break!


I do not really care about that, nor do I think most of the reviewers cared. White guy as a martial artist seems ludicrous, but, yes, Iron Fist is Caucasian, and as a Batman fan, I would not like it if Bruce Wayne of the main continuity was retconned into being black, even more so than Sulu being gay. People did not take into consideration the era. The 70s were full of films, from the blaxploitation films where blacks learned Kung Fu to that terrible movie where three kids learn to become Ninjas. This was following after the years of Bruce Lee's death, and it may have sustained itself till the 80s with Iron Fist's creation.

I think the main reason is that shows like Luke Cage (Power Man) And Daredevil (Matt Murdock) had fight scenes which were excellently produced with a certain set of rules that were beyond establishing cool fight scenes, as well as a story that went places. Iron Fist was more smarmy, and less interesting.

You should avoid the race card, if in anything you use to denigrate people in an attempt to invalidate their criticism.

7.8 on IMDB is high, but that is because a lot of people response against the backlash, specifically as fans of Marvel and the bias of redpilled people to upvote anything.

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I just finished watching Iron Fist series today, I hope they're planning on making Season 2, I read that they (whoever that is) believed that Iron Fist series are weakest Marvels series of all! I like it, I wouldn't place this last series of all on Marvels. I heard that they're still working on bringing more Marvel!! XD I wonder what next one will be..
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I wanted to like this show but the MC was as bland as toast without butter. Luke Cage was much better
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lackluster fight scenes, boring character, boring plot..I felt it was an extremely poor adaptation


agreed. watched the first few episodes. was bored to tears.
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