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Still, when "Autistic" becomes a general non-medical pop slang term for "Annoying repetition" and "Total disassociation from realizing one's own unpopularity or when to stop being annoyingly repetitive", it's sort of in the same boat of how 10-yo.'s use "That's so gay!" as a general non-gender slang coverall term for "Mushily emo", "Wimpishly un-confrontational", "Oversenstively butthurt", "Embarrassingly self-indulgent" or "Immaturely petty or petulant about mean things said", that the LGBT community gets into petty, immature, oversensitive, butthurt and and mushily-emo complaints about seeing used as just a wider mass joke:

Namely, where do you draw the line between a slang term just ignorantly arising out of trendy headlines, and one that arises out of regular folks' experienced and built-up frustrations at having to deal with the real thing?
(And that those who are complaining, just can't look into that truthful pop-culture mirror.)


You make a good point--it's also, simultaneously, exposing a societal frustration. I don't think it comes down to it being one or the other, rather than a mix of both. I suppose I don't mind it so much when the intent is humor--which in many ways is a manner people deal with frustrations in a more positive way. I'd rather people find a laugh in my frustrating behaviors--rather than turn to anger, or worse, violence. As long as they are not willfully ignorant or being harmful--I find it a positive. I prefer a joke over the silent ostracization.

I understand that, while my mannerisms cannot be controlled to some degree--that people's frustrations and efforts can similarly (beyond their control) be exhausted. It's a two way effort. I'm fortunate to have spent a long portion of my life on introspection to understand my own part in the equation. I have independently read and studied human behavior to understand others to some rudimentary degree. For instance, I may not have friends, but that's in large part due to my own lacking interest in common social elements. I come to expect social routines--and when they are broken I no longer hold any interest (manifesting itself in a lack of social initiation and even flat out avoidance). While my mind offers the deceptive answer of them 'not caring enough' to uphold that 'routine', I have enough knowledge to understand that the manner I socialize and comprehend social relationships is much more rigid than humans are designed to be. While I can understand this from a point of reason--my mind actively works against me, and so it has been within my best interest to establish and maintain social rules for myself.

What I'm getting at is: I understand people's frustrations at an abstract level. Whether people use jokes or not does not dissolve those frustrations--if anything it opens a platform to inform. People having frustration is one thing, and its our job, on both our parts, to make an effort to bridge those things.

I can mark many autism symptoms from arm/hand flapping, sensory issues, constant rocking, weak core muscles to, even, descriptive autistic screeching (which, hilariously, for me is in the form of a chronic vocal tics).

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PrinceJudar wrote:What I'm getting at is: I understand people's frustrations at an abstract level. Whether people use jokes or not does not dissolve those frustrations--if anything it opens a platform to inform. People having frustration is one thing, and its our job, on both our parts, to make an effort to bridge those things.

I can mark many autism symptoms from arm/hand flapping, sensory issues, constant rocking, weak core muscles to, even, descriptive autistic screeching (which, hilariously, for me is in the form of a chronic vocal tics).


And finger interlocking/twisting, which I still find myself doing in thoughtful moments without realizing ever since I was a kid, and it freaks me out to know that now that I realize why.

Although much of our generation's using "Autistic" as a slang for annoyingly and weirdly repetitious probably has its roots in Dustin Hoffman's performance in "Rain Man".
Which originally started out going to be a story about Tom Cruise's mentally-disabled brother, but evolved when Hoffman wanted to make the character Autistic to delve into science headlines about the math-prodigy aspect. (Autistic movie characters would always turn out to be magical prodigy geniuses about something...An example Robert Downey Jr. cited when he said "Never go the Full Retard" in Tropic Thunder, and watch an entire generation continue to get the line wrong.)
And made Raymond Babbitt frustrating his hip, opportunistic brother with "Yeah, definitely an excellent driver..." not only a Famous 80's Movie Quote, but also a coverall slang term about people's frustration with autistic victims shut off from even listening to other people's complaints about their behavior.
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To be fair, it's pretty cool. It's nice to see kids being able to grow up with TV Series that has a variety of different people, I would have killed for something relatable to watch as a kid. It's a shame that some parents (possibly the same who think injection give their kids autism) are going to complain about it because "it's wrong."
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Ejanss wrote:
And finger interlocking/twisting, which I still find myself doing in thoughtful moments without realizing ever since I was a kid, and it freaks me out to know that now that I realize why.

Although much of our generation's using "Autistic" as a slang for annoyingly and weirdly repetitious probably has its roots in Dustin Hoffman's performance in "Rain Man".
Which originally started out going to be a story about Tom Cruise's mentally-disabled brother, but evolved when Hoffman wanted to make the character Autistic to delve into science headlines about the math-prodigy aspect. (Autistic movie characters would always turn out to be magical prodigy geniuses about something...An example Robert Downey Jr. cited when he said "Never go the Full Retard" in Tropic Thunder, and watch an entire generation continue to get the line wrong.)
And made Raymond Babbitt frustrating his hip, opportunistic brother with "Yeah, definitely an excellent driver..." not only a Famous 80's Movie Quote, but also a coverall slang term about people's frustration with autistic victims shut off from even listening to other people's complaints about their behavior.


I find fidget toys help with some of that. I purchased these and I keep one on me all the time. I mostly end up sticking them in my mouth, but at work or elsewhere they help a significant deal. I leave my fidget cube at home because I just get obnoxiously loud with the damn thing.

It probably does, most Hollywood portrayals focus on 'savants'--like the recent movie The Accountant. A portion complained about its inaccuracy, but it is entertainment. I found Justine's character in that relatable because she bounces on her balance ball chair at the computer exactly as I do. It's Hollywood--but media has its inevitable influence. People get misleading perceptions and a false sense of knowledge from such places, but the world cannot be shaped to protect from it.

Although--the increasing 'fake news' on social media platforms is making for an interesting future dilemma in the quality of information. Understanding legitimate sources and citations may become a large part of general education at some point (there's increasing need for it at least).

In terms of people with autism being worse then the average person at listening to criticism--much of that can be understood in 'theory of mind' deficits on top of rigid thinking.

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I find fidget toys help with some of that. I purchased these and I keep one on me all the time.


That moment I first realize I use my kneaded eraser for this specific purpose...
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This is great, just watched the video.

I never knew Sesame Street was so complex. I remember characters as a child but if you ask me about a particular scene I probably won't remember.
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This is great, just watched the video.

I never knew Sesame Street was so complex. I remember characters as a child but if you ask me about a particular scene I probably won't remember.


There was an old scene where they dealt with Big Bird coping with the death of one of the cast characters of Mr.Hooper in the 80s. Pretty heartbreaking.
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eggrollsama wrote:

This is great, just watched the video.

I never knew Sesame Street was so complex. I remember characters as a child but if you ask me about a particular scene I probably won't remember.


There was an old scene where they dealt with Big Bird coping with the death of one of the cast characters of Mr.Hooper in the 80s. Pretty heartbreaking.


yeaaa I was like man, when they said he's never coming bad I was like damn they have to say it like that, straight to the point
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WAKE UP SHEEPLE! SESAME STREET IS A BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY TO NORMALIZE AUTISM AND MAKE VACCINES ACCEPTED.

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/anti-vaxxers-convinced-sesame-street-character-julia-is-a-big-pharma-conspiracy-to-normalize-autism/

Seriously though, fuck these bastards. Fuck them for bringing diseases back, fuck them for endangering their kids, fuck them for trying to spread their filthy (literally) selves everywhere and above all else, fuck them for trying to keep autism stigmatized. This crap should be illegal.
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Anti-vaxxers aren't here because of a lack of easily available good information. They exist because they have an irrational fear of authority and thus try to fight it even over stupid shit where they are clearly wrong. There's plenty of conclusive evidence dismissing every lie these people propagate, but even when brought to their attention they'll just flat out ignore it or pretend its evidence of some grand conspiracy. No amount of refuting their shit will make them go away, sadly.
Vaccines are essential but there is more to it than just going to a hospital and taking a shot. For instance, if a child has some short of immune deficiency, should that child be forced to get a vaccine? What if they cannot afford it? In the US, children can be banned from school for not getting vaccinated. Then what?
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Didn't you use to be a girl, before you suddenly remembered you were a guy? For the longest time I thought you were a self-hating woman, before I realized you were a stereotypical sexist.


I was a bit of a sexist--in such a manner that I was attempting to logically explain female behavior I experienced. I already moved passed my misogynist phase a couple years back. I picked up some books on human behavior, psychology and neurology--thanks for asking.

P.S. Assuming that a female could only dislike other females due to hating qualities in herself is a bit of a sexist assumption, wouldn't you agree?



Of course I would agree, but I always knew you were a guy! Seriously, I almost called you out on it before! You were justifying pay-gaps between men and women, and I knew even self-loathing, women haters who hate women, wouldn't like making less money. LOL you weren't as clever as you thought you were.
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AlienNineFan wrote:


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I don't think I'd vote for him even if I was high as fuck.



Didn't you use to be a girl, before you suddenly remembered you were a guy? For the longest time I thought you were a self-hating woman, before I realized you were a stereotypical sexist.


Or.. or, he could be a she who got tired of shit on the internet. I certainly know many girls who prefer to masquerade as males on the internet. Sure saves a lot of greif in some circumstances.

What do I know though? I am just a plebian who visits the CR forums on occasion.

#MindBlown


Nope! PrinceJudar is a sexist, I knew he was always a he.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Anti-vaxxers aren't here because of a lack of easily available good information. They exist because they have an irrational fear of authority and thus try to fight it even over stupid shit where they are clearly wrong. There's plenty of conclusive evidence dismissing every lie these people propagate, but even when brought to their attention they'll just flat out ignore it or pretend its evidence of some grand conspiracy. No amount of refuting their shit will make them go away, sadly.


Vaccines are essential but there is more to it than just going to a hospital and taking a shot. For instance, if a child has some short of immune deficiency, should that child be forced to get a vaccine?

Uh, yeah. Because that's what people are talking about when they say being okay with autism is a big conspiracy.

And to answer that question, yes, every child with immunodeficiency should need to get whatever vaccine they are compatible with. Even with the most restrictive forms (which affects such a small number of people it's barely worth even addressing) patients can still get vaccinated with things like Pneumococcal and Haemophilus influenzae type B conjugate vaccines.


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What if they cannot afford it?

It's almost as though locking being healthy behind a paywall is a stupid idea. And again, that literally has nothing to do with what these people are saying.

FlyinDumpling wrote:
In the US, children can be banned from school for not getting vaccinated. Then what?


Being barred from an environment with large numbers of people in close proximity to one another if you're at risk of infecting the other people? How horrible! (and also still not what's being said by the idiots in that article)

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Ejanss wrote:
And finger interlocking/twisting, which I still find myself doing in thoughtful moments without realizing ever since I was a kid, and it freaks me out to know that now that I realize why.

Although much of our generation's using "Autistic" as a slang for annoyingly and weirdly repetitious probably has its roots in Dustin Hoffman's performance in "Rain Man".
Which originally started out going to be a story about Tom Cruise's mentally-disabled brother, but evolved when Hoffman wanted to make the character Autistic to delve into science headlines about the math-prodigy aspect. (Autistic movie characters would always turn out to be magical prodigy geniuses about something...An example Robert Downey Jr. cited when he said "Never go the Full Retard" in Tropic Thunder, and watch an entire generation continue to get the line wrong.)
And made Raymond Babbitt frustrating his hip, opportunistic brother with "Yeah, definitely an excellent driver..." not only a Famous 80's Movie Quote, but also a coverall slang term about people's frustration with autistic victims shut off from even listening to other people's complaints about their behavior.


I find fidget toys help with some of that. I purchased these
and I keep one on me all the time. I mostly end up sticking them in my mouth, but at work or elsewhere they help a significant deal. I leave my fidget cube at home because I just get obnoxiously loud with the damn thing.

It probably does, most Hollywood portrayals focus on 'savants'--like the recent movie The Accountant. A portion complained about its inaccuracy, but it is entertainment. I found Justine's character in that relatable because she bounces on her balance ball chair at the computer exactly as I do. It's Hollywood--but media has its inevitable influence. People get misleading perceptions and a false sense of knowledge from such places, but the world cannot be shaped to protect from it.

Although--the increasing 'fake news' on social media platforms is making for an interesting future dilemma in the quality of information. Understanding legitimate sources and citations may become a large part of general education at some point (there's increasing need for it at least).

In terms of people with autism being worse then the average person at listening to criticism--much of that can be understood in 'theory of mind' deficits on top of rigid thinking.



hey judar, i heard somewhere before that autism is a evolution in the human race, like we are evolving and getting more autism. do you think its true?
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