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http://www.10news.com/news/team-10/encinitas-woman-dead-after-i-v-infusion-of-turmeric

I'm going to be perfectly honest, this is the kind of shit that makes my blood boil. This woman was snatched up by some sick fucks who told her they could cure her by injecting Indian spices into her veins. Now she's fucking dead.

These disgusting human beings, these "naturopaths" (or as I more accurately call them, sociopaths) have irrational fear and distrust of any authority is so extreme they're willing to literally kill people to maintain their delusions. Yeah, I'm not beating around the bush here, I'm calling this what it is: murder. These people are murderers and I hope so badly that they're locked up for it. I severely doubt that's what will happen, but its what should happen.

Instead, I'm sure they'll just turn a blind eye to their own crimes and go on spreading their heinous practices because "muh big pharma". The kicker is that I have the same exact thing that this woman had and I get perfectly fine treatment with just a little skin lotion. I don't have to literally risk my life to get clearer skin.

I just want to make it clear for everyone that this is the kind of idiocy that ignoring science leads to. So just to reiterate:

-GMOs are safe

-Vaccines are good things

-Doctors are good for you. Real doctors, not bullshit herb quacks.

-The environment needs to be protected.

-The earth is not flat, jesus christ why is that even still something anyone even thinks?
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That's very sad. I struggle to understand the logic some people put behind practices like these.
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http://www.10news.com/news/team-10/encinitas-woman-dead-after-i-v-infusion-of-turmeric

I'm going to be perfectly honest, this is the kind of shit that makes my blood boil. This woman was snatched up by some sick fucks who told her they could cure her by injecting Indian spices into her veins. Now she's fucking dead.

These disgusting human beings, these "naturopaths" (or as I more accurately call them, sociopaths) have irrational fear and distrust of any authority is so extreme they're willing to literally kill people to maintain their delusions. Yeah, I'm not beating around the bush here, I'm calling this what it is: murder. These people are murderers and I hope so badly that they're locked up for it. I severely doubt that's what will happen, but its what should happen.

Instead, I'm sure they'll just turn a blind eye to their own crimes and go on spreading their heinous practices because "muh big pharma". The kicker is that I have the same exact thing that this woman had and I get perfectly fine treatment with just a little skin lotion. I don't have to literally risk my life to get clearer skin.

I just want to make it clear for everyone that this is the kind of idiocy that ignoring science leads to. So just to reiterate:

-GMOs are safe

-Vaccines are good things

-Doctors are good for you. Real doctors, not bullshit herb quacks.

-The environment needs to be protected.

-The earth is not flat, jesus christ why is that even still something anyone even thinks?


GMOs are safe, but I still take issue with them as far as patent/copyright trolling goes. GMOs can spread naturally just like any traditional crop has for pretty much forever now. I don't really believe they should be able to enforce any sort of IP rights on them. That's the issue with GMOs that people should be outraged with...
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She wasn't snatched up, she agreed with procedure. Neither people knew what they were doing thus this terrible accident happened. Not everything is absolute.
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I mean she is HEALED she doesn't have the condition now does she ?
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She wasn't snatched up, she agreed with procedure. Neither people knew what they were doing thus this terrible accident happened. Not everything is absolute.


I know how these people work, they get at you with scare tactics and fear mongering and they lie to make you paranoid to the point where you'll be more willing to get shot up with spices than to just rub a little lotion on yourself. That is deceit, she was deceived thus she is a victim. Simple as that.
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

She wasn't snatched up, she agreed with procedure. Neither people knew what they were doing thus this terrible accident happened. Not everything is absolute.


I know how these people work, they get at you with scare tactics and fear mongering and they lie to make you paranoid to the point where you'll be more willing to get shot up with spices than to just rub a little lotion on yourself. That is deceit, she was deceived thus she is a victim. Simple as that.
I'm responding based on what the article said. Even at the presence of certified doctors, you need to be self aware.
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octorockandroll wrote:

http://www.10news.com/news/team-10/encinitas-woman-dead-after-i-v-infusion-of-turmeric

I'm going to be perfectly honest, this is the kind of shit that makes my blood boil. This woman was snatched up by some sick fucks who told her they could cure her by injecting Indian spices into her veins. Now she's fucking dead.

These disgusting human beings, these "naturopaths" (or as I more accurately call them, sociopaths) have irrational fear and distrust of any authority is so extreme they're willing to literally kill people to maintain their delusions. Yeah, I'm not beating around the bush here, I'm calling this what it is: murder. These people are murderers and I hope so badly that they're locked up for it. I severely doubt that's what will happen, but its what should happen.

Instead, I'm sure they'll just turn a blind eye to their own crimes and go on spreading their heinous practices because "muh big pharma". The kicker is that I have the same exact thing that this woman had and I get perfectly fine treatment with just a little skin lotion. I don't have to literally risk my life to get clearer skin.

I just want to make it clear for everyone that this is the kind of idiocy that ignoring science leads to. So just to reiterate:

-GMOs are safe

-Vaccines are good things

-Doctors are good for you. Real doctors, not bullshit herb quacks.

-The environment needs to be protected.

-The earth is not flat, jesus christ why is that even still something anyone even thinks?




This remind me a story that my Mother told me about her Aunt that have Cancer and she with this group that doesn't believe in Medical.. But believe in God, must have strong faith and her cancer will be cure.. Of course that didn't last long her Aunt die from Cancer.
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You can't really blame people when they seek out alternative routes to try and relieve the symptoms of their or others problems and/or diseases when the modern standard medical paradigm we have access too is lacking...greatly in the things we want. Cause most people who have a condition of some sort don't want it, cause it annoying, distracting, and really diminishes the quality of our life and the best thing we have at this point is that we've gotten really good at damage control (medicating people and being dependent upon that medication, which can make you feel really powerless, and even then it's very possible the medication doesn't do much or it tags along with it other problems) and prolonging life in critical situations (trauma care) which is cool but maybe this model isn't gonna bear the fruits we want in the first place, which I assume is like a cure of some sort for like all disease...but all in all I really don't know. I mean we've been waiting till the breakthrough where we understand all the complexity and how to manipulate and control diseases and ailments to our will through some drug/magic pill, and or treatment, but we've been doing this in medicine for decades and I don't think we've actually cured anything in terms of innate disease through our treatments/protocols/drugs and that is frustrating on many levels cause it really just can mess with someone and their ability to live.

Though that's not to say that alternative/holistic/or whatever the hell people like to label themselves as is much better.

But yeah that doctor who tried to IV tumeric is probably just really dumb and ignorant of the medical literature about tumeric and it's usages, and in their head somehow rationalized using it intravenously was a good idea and would work for everyone( probably cause it has a low absorption rate of curcuminoids from my understanding). Though that doesn't necessarily mean that they're super paranoid about big pharma and about our modern medical model, that just seems more like your emotional head trip then anything tbh because you don't know for certain but your acting like you are.

I also don't agree that she was murdered, it probably was an accident and she probably did it of her own will because apparently she was into holistic healing.

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I also don't agree that she was murdered, it probably was an accident and she probably did it of her own will because apparently she was into holistic healing.



She died because she was lied into letting herself be poisoned.

If I present you with a cyanide capsule and tell you ingesting it will make you a math genius and then you die from cyanide poisoning, I have just killed you. It doesn't matter if you swallowed on your own free will if you were talked into doing so.
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That's very sad. I struggle to understand the logic some people put behind practices like these.


the logic is simple. for me, the only real effective treatment for depression is the same they used in 1880. electro-convulsive treatment. Shock therapy.
so yeah, id take a lot of risk from questionable holistic 'tratment' centers to avoid the side effects that come with ECT. or the 30% chance of kidney problems that come with the lithium carbonate i just got off of.

its not the holistic field that's the problem its the lack or any kind of regulation. a lot of people crack a book on accupunture and suddenly think there experts. and thats a problem.
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octorockandroll wrote:I just want to make it clear for everyone that this is the kind of idiocy that ignoring science leads to. So just to reiterate:

-GMOs are safe

-Vaccines are good things

-Doctors are good for you. Real doctors, not bullshit herb quacks.

-The environment needs to be protected.

-The earth is not flat, jesus christ why is that even still something anyone even thinks?


My rule is, I judge the effectiveness of an alternative medicine practice in an inverse ratio to how determined they are to tell you about the "Big-money CONSPIRACY of today's medical industry, in the pocket of big pharmaceutical companies!"

I can stay up late at night looking for UFO's, but that's where I draw the line at risking my body for conspiracy-theorists.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Potentsaliva wrote:
I also don't agree that she was murdered, it probably was an accident and she probably did it of her own will because apparently she was into holistic healing.



She died because she was lied into letting herself be poisoned.

If I present you with a cyanide capsule and tell you ingesting it will make you a math genius and then you die from cyanide poisoning, I have just killed you. It doesn't matter if you swallowed on your own free will if you were talked into doing so.


If you knowingly give me a cyanide capsule, you have intentionally killed me. A lot of these quacks really believe they're helping people. So I don't think they should be charged with murder (at least not without more info). Manslaughter, perhaps. Certainly they should be open to malpractice lawsuits and the like, just as MDs are.


nemoskull wrote:
its not the holistic field that's the problem its the lack or any kind of regulation. a lot of people crack a book on accupunture and suddenly think there experts. and thats a problem.


That's at least a big part of it, but not all, in my opinion. They also ignore the fact that, while so-called holistic treatments (e.g. acupuncture, dietary interventions, supplements, exercise, etc.) have some value for some ailments, they definitely have their own set of limits, and medical treatment is sometimes a necessity.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Potentsaliva wrote:
I also don't agree that she was murdered, it probably was an accident and she probably did it of her own will because apparently she was into holistic healing.



She died because she was lied into letting herself be poisoned.

If I present you with a cyanide capsule and tell you ingesting it will make you a math genius and then you die from cyanide poisoning, I have just killed you. It doesn't matter if you swallowed on your own free will if you were talked into doing so.


If you knowingly give me a cyanide capsule, you have intentionally killed me. A lot of these quacks really believe they're helping people. So I don't think they should be charged with murder (at least not without more info). Manslaughter, perhaps. Certainly they should be open to malpractice lawsuits and the like, just as MDs are.



Yeah that's a good point. They should probably get manslaughter or maybe just get an NGRI charge. Either way, as long as they don't hurt people anymore I'm happy.

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