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Terror in Europe and what's (not) been done about it
Posted 3/23/17 , edited 3/23/17

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Oh. Why do you pigeonhole yourself like this. Please have a little more respect for yourself.

There is not a lot I can say about immigration with someone who self identifies as "too stupid to understand economics". So, *pat, pat on the head*, here, have a cookie:




There are two types of people for immigration:

1) Those who are pro terrorism and having their children raped by foreigners as well as their population replaced
2) Those who aren't pro terrorism and having their children raped by foreigners as well as their population replaced

See how easy that is?
Pat yourself on the back, man.


octorockandroll wrote:

I'm not saying I agree with Goodman's generalization, but I do agree that from what I've seen of your posts you seem to fit into the latter category.


Care to elaborate?
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Posted 3/23/17
This conversation has become rather immature close to slinging insults just because people have a differing opinion I thought everyone came here to voice their opinions and have a discussion thinking other peoples thoughts were the best part of the discussion but seems I am mistaken... I have seen you guys around and have agreed and disagreed with each of you at points that's just part of being an individual there is no real need to take things personally or make anything personal.

Not taking sides putting my opinion out there I don't think open borders are a smart idea there should always be a way to keep undesirable people out of a country even if terrorism, culture, race and religion didn't exist it wouldn't be good to let free travel of people in and outside your country money laundering and human trafficking would become easier along with evading capture.
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Posted 3/23/17
The primary purpose of terrorism is to incite terror. To pressure people into reacting emotionally and taking drastic, typically less then well thought out measures to prevent it from happening again.

Sure, it's bad to hear about in the news, but going by the numbers, it isn't nearly as big a problem as a lot of people are making it out to be. And taking what I said in my first paragraph in mind, knee-jerk reactions like what Amayas appears to be advocating don't strike me as a good idea.
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Posted 3/23/17

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This conversation has become rather immature close to slinging insults just because people have a differing opinion I thought everyone came here to voice their opinions and have a discussion thinking other peoples thoughts were the best part of the discussion but seems I am mistaken... I have seen you guys around and have agreed and disagreed with each of you at points that's just part of being an individual there is no real need to take things personally or make anything personal.

Not taking sides putting my opinion out there I don't think open borders are a smart idea there should always be a way to keep undesirable people out of a country even if terrorism, culture, race and religion didn't exist it wouldn't be good to let free travel of people in and outside your country money laundering and human trafficking would become easier along with evading capture.


I also agree but at the same time Europe can't be too thorough on its border scrutiny, at least not between European countries. I have family members who live in one country and go to another country for work every day and they are far from being the only ones who do so. If border security gets too tight it will impede a lot of jobs.
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Posted 3/23/17

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SandyNewt wrote:

This conversation has become rather immature close to slinging insults just because people have a differing opinion I thought everyone came here to voice their opinions and have a discussion thinking other peoples thoughts were the best part of the discussion but seems I am mistaken... I have seen you guys around and have agreed and disagreed with each of you at points that's just part of being an individual there is no real need to take things personally or make anything personal.

Not taking sides putting my opinion out there I don't think open borders are a smart idea there should always be a way to keep undesirable people out of a country even if terrorism, culture, race and religion didn't exist it wouldn't be good to let free travel of people in and outside your country money laundering and human trafficking would become easier along with evading capture.


I also agree but at the same time Europe can't be too thorough on its border scrutiny, at least not between European countries. I have family members who live in one country and go to another country for work every day and they are far from being the only ones who do so. If border security gets too tight it will impede a lot of jobs.


It's a tough hole the EU has dug itself in one small change will affect a lot of people I feel they should make work permits available that won't solve the problem it will be used by people with nefarious intentions but it would allow people to travel freely but preventing others to do so that's what comes to mind for me anyway... I don't live on the continent but I do know it happens here in the UK people living here for work and travelling back and fourth usually on time off though not daily. It's far from an ideal solution just the only decent one I can think of...
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Posted 3/24/17 , edited 3/24/17
I've edited a couple posts and deleted another, for outright calling people stupid or mocking them. Some traces of them are left in quotes from others, as I felt editing or deleting those would adversely affect the flow of discussion that has happened.

Please be respectful when disagreeing with each other and when explaining concepts you think others are having a hard time understanding.

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Posted 3/23/17

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This is hardly a European problem, though it is undeniably a problem nonetheless. As I recall, the Orlando Nightclub shooter also was identified as a threat when he committed his crime and even when he legally purchased his weapons. In the USA you can still legally buy weapons despite being on the FBI's watchlist and they too ought to be a bit more proactive in how they prevent this kind of shit from happening. But yeah, people in general should get treated way more like threats if they are almost certainly thought of as threats.


It's a problem with a certain group of people.

Orlando Nightclub shooter: ABC News and Fox News reported that on the early morning of June 12, the day of the attack, Mateen posted on one of his Facebook accounts: "The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west ... You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state [sic] vengeance" as well as "America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state." His final post to Facebook was "In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic State in the usa." These posts, since deleted, were uncovered by the United States Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[109][110]

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Posted 3/24/17 , edited 5/24/17
Considering the US Army just bombed Syria killing 33 innocent children, I'd say it's a Worldwide problem too. ISIS/Extremists kill people and then justify it by twisting the words of a an old ass religion. Sadly it will NEVER be solved, there is no solution unless you start assuming everyone is your enemy and isolate ourselves.
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Posted 3/23/17

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octorockandroll wrote:

This is hardly a European problem, though it is undeniably a problem nonetheless. As I recall, the Orlando Nightclub shooter also was identified as a threat when he committed his crime and even when he legally purchased his weapons. In the USA you can still legally buy weapons despite being on the FBI's watchlist and they too ought to be a bit more proactive in how they prevent this kind of shit from happening. But yeah, people in general should get treated way more like threats if they are almost certainly thought of as threats.


It's a problem with a certain group of people.

Orlando Nightclub shooter: ABC News and Fox News reported that on the early morning of June 12, the day of the attack, Mateen posted on one of his Facebook accounts: "The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west ... You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state [sic] vengeance" as well as "America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state." His final post to Facebook was "In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic State in the usa." These posts, since deleted, were uncovered by the United States Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[109][110]



So he posted incriminating public information? I see. That does seem to be perfectly legal evidence that can be used to preemptively detain him.

Truly preventable without a breach of freedoms in my view.
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Considering the US Army just bombed Syria killing 33 innocent children, I'd say it's a Worldwide problem too. ISIS/Extremists kill people and then justify it by twisting the words of a an old ass religion. Sadly it will NEVER be solved, there is no solution unless you start assuming everyone is your enemy and isolate ourselves.


I'd also like to add that I'm not downplaying any Extremist/Terror attack on any country, they're all equally as messed up.
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Posted 3/24/17

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SandyNewt wrote:

This conversation has become rather immature close to slinging insults just because people have a differing opinion I thought everyone came here to voice their opinions and have a discussion thinking other peoples thoughts were the best part of the discussion but seems I am mistaken... I have seen you guys around and have agreed and disagreed with each of you at points that's just part of being an individual there is no real need to take things personally or make anything personal.

Not taking sides putting my opinion out there I don't think open borders are a smart idea there should always be a way to keep undesirable people out of a country even if terrorism, culture, race and religion didn't exist it wouldn't be good to let free travel of people in and outside your country money laundering and human trafficking would become easier along with evading capture.


I also agree but at the same time Europe can't be too thorough on its border scrutiny, at least not between European countries. I have family members who live in one country and go to another country for work every day and they are far from being the only ones who do so. If border security gets too tight it will impede a lot of jobs.


That's the problem with the idea of tightening borders, although with Brexit looming - anyone working in France and lives in Britain are going to suffer anyway. I agree with both of you on this, there should be stricter rules (although recently they're banning things like laptops and phones from going on flights from Middle Eastern countries) but I personally think banning people in general is a BAD thing to do. In times like this we should come together in solidarity rather than slinging insults and anti-X laws on each other. That's what they want.
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Posted 3/24/17

altaidox wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


SandyNewt wrote:

This conversation has become rather immature close to slinging insults just because people have a differing opinion I thought everyone came here to voice their opinions and have a discussion thinking other peoples thoughts were the best part of the discussion but seems I am mistaken... I have seen you guys around and have agreed and disagreed with each of you at points that's just part of being an individual there is no real need to take things personally or make anything personal.

Not taking sides putting my opinion out there I don't think open borders are a smart idea there should always be a way to keep undesirable people out of a country even if terrorism, culture, race and religion didn't exist it wouldn't be good to let free travel of people in and outside your country money laundering and human trafficking would become easier along with evading capture.


I also agree but at the same time Europe can't be too thorough on its border scrutiny, at least not between European countries. I have family members who live in one country and go to another country for work every day and they are far from being the only ones who do so. If border security gets too tight it will impede a lot of jobs.


That's the problem with the idea of tightening borders, although with Brexit looming - anyone working in France and lives in Britain are going to suffer anyway. I agree with both of you on this, there should be stricter rules (although recently they're banning things like laptops and phones from going on flights from Middle Eastern countries) but I personally think banning people in general is a BAD thing to do. In times like this we should come together in solidarity rather than slinging insults and anti-X laws on each other. That's what they want.


Oh absolutely. Neither Sandy nor myself want Trump style bans to be an accepted thing. Hell, judging by the fact that the OP talks about attacks from non-immigrants it probably isn't helping.
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There are many types of people for immigration:

Poverty
Armed conflict
Social strife
Political turmoil
Economic hardships

http://www.weareoneamerica.org/root-causes-migration-fact-sheet




Just so you know, immigration always has and always will happen for one reason or another



So like I've got a class and we were discussing about why a lot of people are against immigration. Guess what the answer was? Because people don't want to become the minority!

A lot of people forget that they are actually the descendants of immigrants lol


supposedly this is what the average person will look like in 2050:

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There are many types of people for immigration:

Poverty
Armed conflict
Social strife
Political turmoil
Economic hardships

http://www.weareoneamerica.org/root-causes-migration-fact-sheet




Just so you know, immigration always has and always will happen for one reason or another



So like I've got a class and we were discussing about why a lot of people are against immigration. Guess what the answer was? Because people don't want to become the minority!

A lot of people forget that they are actually the descendants of immigrants lol


supposedly this is what the average person will look like in 2050:



The most common eye colour will soon be green? I mean... Im pretty okay with this.
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When the problem is a bloke called Adrian who is born in and lives in your country for 52 years before he decides to rent a car and mow people down all the immigration rules in the world won't prevent it.

Same can be said about the "known to police" part. None of his run ins with police seem to suggest this was in his future. A conviction for a fight in a pub doesn't scream potential radical...

On the other hand it made me proud to see everybody in London just back to business as usual yesterday, a big fuck you to the sort of people who think they can scare us with their shitty ideologies.
Posted 3/24/17 , edited 3/24/17

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When the problem is a bloke called Adrian who is born in and lives in your country for 52 years before he decides to rent a car and mow people down all the immigration rules in the world won't prevent it.\.


His name was Khalid Masood and he was known to MI5 for years for being an Islamic extremist
And you're wrong, it can be dealt with before attacks happen
Even Mama Merkel knows that
http://kucb.org/post/first-germany-deports-native-born-terrorism-suspects


altaidox wrote:

Considering the US Army just bombed Syria killing 33 innocent children

Children like this?

Or 'children' like these 'syrian refugees' ?
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