Post Reply "deaths of despair" surging among white working class
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/healthtrending/why-a-lack-of-education-raises-death-risk-for-some-americans/ar-BByDtAi?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Middle-age white Americans with limited education are increasingly dying younger, on average, than other middle-age U.S. adults, a trend driven by their dwindling economic opportunities, research by two Princeton University economists has found.
Since 1999, white men and women ages 45 through 54 have endured a sharp increase in "deaths of despair," Case and Deaton found in their earlier work. These include suicides, drug overdoses, and alcohol-related deaths such as liver failure.
It's not just their careers that have gone down the tubes, but their marriage prospects, their ability to raise children," said Deaton, who won the Nobel prize in economics in 2015 for his long-standing work on solutions to poverty. "That's the kind of thing that can lead people to despair."

It's not entirely clear why these trends have affected whites much more than they have African-Americans or Hispanics, whose death rates are improving
Case and Deaton note that many Hispanics are "markedly better off" than parents or grandparents who were born abroad, enabling a greater sense of optimism. African-Americans, they add, may have become more resilient to economic challenges given their long-standing disadvantages in the job market.

The data is clear, though: In 1999, the death rate for high school-educated whites ages 50 through 54 was 30 percent lower than the death rate for all African-Americans in that age group. By 2015, it was 30 percent higher


in ref to the bold, that shouldn't be a issue, black americans should be able to have more oppurtunities, but that shouldn't dim the issue with the white class either
but this is a concerning issue, as as it states in the article its partly why Donald trump won

whenever the middle class in a society disappears and it becomes just upper and lower, society starts to deteriorate
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White people like doing crazy shit like sky diving without a parachute, owning tigers & climbing death mountains.

Black people are like "Nope, I like being alive."
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zangeif123 wrote:

White people like doing crazy shit like sky surfing, owning tigers & climbing death mountains.

Black people are like "Nope, I like being alive."


lol, like whenever Norfolk, the city next to me, floods, people bring out their surfboards and ride around lol
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Thanks for the interesting article. I'll share another one I ran into yesterday, but chose not to share it at first because of the glut of articles in the Donald Trump thread. I suppose it's hard to resist.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-saying-trumps-win-had-nothing-to-do-with-economics/



Correctly assessing the forces that led to Trump’s victory is more than an academic exercise. It’s central to figuring out what happens next — what Trump’s supporters expect him to do, what Democratic counter-measures would be effective, what metrics we should use to gauge his success. But the recent debate has missed an important distinction: Economic anxiety is not the same thing as economic hardship. And the evidence suggests that anxiety did play a key role in Trump’s victory, though it was by no means the only factor.

What’s the difference between hardship and anxiety? Hardship, as I’m using it here, refers to a person’s present-day economic struggles: poverty, joblessness, falling wages, foreclosure, bankruptcy. Anxiety is all about what lies ahead — concerns about saving for retirement or college, worry of a potential layoff, fears that your children’s prospects aren’t as bright as your own were.
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“Trump Country,” as my colleague Andrew Flowers described it shortly after the election, isn’t the part of America where people are in the worst financial shape; it’s the part of America where their economic prospects are on the steepest decline.
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Recent (10-15 years) politics and economic shifts favor centralization. The stereotypical US middle class usually is composed of all of the more rural and suburban areas. This ends up being a huge generator of unrest as all the jobs move toward cities, particularly cities with good infrastructure to support high-tech industries.

Another angle to watch is changing technology that reduces the number of low-skill baseline jobs. The energy industries have been hit hard, but there will be more on the way in other areas as automation is quickly approaching.

I'm experiencing a period of hardship that has gone for over a year now. My area is heavily dependent on the oil and gas industries. A stupid minefield of laws is preventing good enough ISP competition to have any decent infrastructure to attract any sort of tech industry. This city has been hemorrhaging jobs for a while now. Baton Rouge however I hear is trending upward.

I voted Trump. I saw him as the pointman for a potential short-term fix for my area, lacking a better option. (also to create political shock)

I want the Democrats to start seriously preparing for the future. Once they acknowledge that massive change is coming along with widespread hardship, once they stop being satisfied with half-baked attempts like the ACA (a step in the right direction, but a failed leap)... that's when I will support them.

The core of America is our rights, not our economic traditions... we must fight forward holding these rights close while adapting to the future.

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I want to point out that the title I wrote is actually the title of the link I clicked, but the title changes once inside the link and url
and the title inside the link and url is unfair, to just blame it on lack of education, and he change seems to be bias in a way
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redokami wrote:

I want to point out that the title I wrote is actually the title of the link I clicked, but the title changes once inside the link and url
and the title inside the link and url is unfair, to just blame it on lack of education, and he change seems to be bias in a way


Lack of education is truly a lazy way to brush it off.

People specialize, it's what we do. We do what we are comfortable doing while conceding our will here and there. It's unfair to expect everyone to run off to the debt factory that is the current education system to pursue something that lies far from their passions. Pursuing half-heartedly will only end with them having a useless piece of paper that won't ever get them to where they want to be in life.

Talent, I hate using the word. I believe the connotations take away from the hard work people put into pursuing and honing their natural talents. There will be people whose talents simply aren't suited toward future trends, some things will simply be out of reach for them even if they tried their hardest. It's a harsh reality.

Put people in the best position to succeed. That is what a good leader, and society, should be doing. They shouldn't be trying to force the square peg into the round hole. If it's concluded that you can't find a place for them... take responsibility and bear their burdens.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56k4TCJvVZQ

This video just happened to be in my subscriptions feed. It's a four minute video from the authors of the cited journal article about what their article says and its implications.
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A stupid minefield of laws is preventing good enough ISP competition to have any decent infrastructure to attract any sort of tech industry.


Er... From what I've read, Ajit Pai really isn't going to improve broadband competition. The only legit positive thing I've read about him is that he supports "dig once" bills, but I highly doubt that will be enough to improve the problem.

Your city could build a municipal network, but I hear ISP incumbents HATE those and will do as much lobbying as they can to prevent those...
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Right, that's pretty much Trump's base of voters, which is enough to win elections by itself if they're ever convinced to vote one way. That's why he's hesitating on healthcare, probably. He needs to keep them insured somehow. Probably why they're trying to cram the new bill through and twist the arms of the freedom caucus republicans.

He's either making a big mistake or he's smart and this bill is tailored to help his base, because healthcare is a big killer for them.

Drug trafficking is another killer. He needs to target the addiction problems heavily with both healthcare and border control. Stopping immigration across the border is a small plus, but cutting off all drugs is the main thing. This is death on the level of genocide, tens of thousands per year from overdose, and if he doesn't realize it and attack it, another big mistake.

Finally, removing regulations and strong-arming businesses to provide jobs to his base. It doesn't have to be sustainable, it just has to provide the money for his base to afford higher education for their kids (and let them feel like they can get married and have kids to begin with).

He should probably not concern himself with anything else. He only needs his base to win re-election and no one else will vote for him even if he gives them the moon, so the "president for all Americans" line needs to just be for show. Anyone who complains about helping his working class voters is basically a monster, anyway.

We'll see what he does and whether or not he can "Art of the Deal" anything into existence, or if he'll just let the swamp drain him.
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BoredGreen wrote:


GreatLordBalzak wrote:

A stupid minefield of laws is preventing good enough ISP competition to have any decent infrastructure to attract any sort of tech industry.


Er... From what I've read, Ajit Pai really isn't going to improve broadband competition. The only legit positive thing I've read about him is that he supports "dig once" bills, but I highly doubt that will be enough to improve the problem.

Your city could build a municipal network, but I hear ISP incumbents HATE those and will do as much lobbying as they can to prevent those...


I'm aware of the boneheaded decisions on that front. I took that risk in the hopes that we could again bombard the FCC with public commentary. Unfortunately it looks like they want to remove their power to regulate them and attempt to bypass the pressure of the people. After all if they just cover their ears they won't hear us, right? That seems to be what they are hoping for.

It's the oil industry that I'm viewing as a temporary fix.

Municipal broadband is indeed possible in this state... but it's a huge uphill battle.
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zangeif123 wrote:

White people like doing crazy shit like sky diving without a parachute, owning tigers & climbing death mountains.

Black people are like "Nope, I like being alive."


Tbhhhhh my fellow white people can be dumb af sometimes so I'm not surprised.

Regardless, it sucks that Americans are dying, no matter their skin colour.
England just has an increase in homeless people rather than deaths.
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Not to mention that college is really expensive, or some people don't have the time for college, or some people see it as a waste of time, and would rather get a job to support themselves and their family sooner rather than later.
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Kavalion wrote:

Drug trafficking is another killer. He needs to target the addiction problems heavily with both healthcare and border control. Stopping immigration across the border is a small plus, but cutting off all drugs is the main thing. This is death on the level of genocide, tens of thousands per year from overdose, and if he doesn't realize it and attack it, another big mistake.


At least in the area where I live the drug problem is opioids and methamphetamine, with occasional designer drugs like bath salts. There's a drug trafficking problem with the border to be sure, but the homegrown drug distribution is another aspect that's hit rural regions in particular.
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Plenty of drugs along Hollywood streets it's not safe to venture many locations unless you want
get stabbed or spit on and those tourists that come for site seeing' clueless and walk into the trap
of Hollywood streets.

-- just a typical heroin day on the streets of Los Angeles.
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