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The Truth Disease..
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Posted 11/26/06 , edited 11/26/06
you've probably seen what i'm about to address here. it's getting to be an epidemic on the internet, though you'll find it in the 'real world' as well. it's a minor subject (the internet is serious business ;] ), but a nuisance nonetheless.

the line has been blurred between truth and opinion. there's a fucking difference between being honest about ones opionion (honesty of ones thoughts) and objective truth (facts).

all over the place i see people calling thier opinions facts. on top of this, they often call it realism. a common example being with music:

"linkin park suxx it's a FACT!1!"

DON'T FALL FOR THIS BULLSHIT! it's a popular opinion, not a fucking fact. this is an instance of honesty of ones opinion.

lots of people also get praised for this too; '*insert name* speaks the truth'. and so, the plague continues.

i don't think cr needs much of a lecture on this, as i've hardly seen this disease here. however, i'd rather stop something before it starts.
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Posted 11/26/06
Lets see, what thread could this possibly be in response to?......I wonder.
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Posted 11/26/06
Even in real life people mix up opinion with fact. It really annoys me. It also annoys me when there are actually facts right in front of them but they ignore it and state that something else is true.
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Posted 11/26/06

waffle26 wrote:

Lets see, what thread could this possibly be in response to?......I wonder.


really? what thread? *oblivious*

i skip reading like, 80% or so threads on cr nowadays, so i probably wouldn't know.
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Posted 11/26/06
Yeah usually the threads are so boring that I ignore a lot of them but today I am in the mood to type random things.
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Posted 11/26/06
I think its up to the reader to decide whether to appreciate such honest thoughts or to realise the objective truth or both.

LP rules.
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Posted 11/26/06
didn't you just say something?
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Posted 11/26/06
Truth or opinion: Pluto is the 9th planet from the sun.
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Posted 11/26/06
truth. philosophically debatable though. but this thread is dealing with matters below the level of philosophy, so it remains truth here.
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Posted 11/26/06
Ok I deleted it. Although this would make a good game thread.
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Posted 11/26/06
ok, stop before this becomes a game thread

(or hell, make a separate thread)
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Posted 11/26/06
Truth

Truth or Opinion: Children born in May are on average 200 grams heavier at birth than children born in any other month.
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Posted 11/26/06
Nice avatar Nu187KokeMule

Sometimes its hard to tell whats an opinion, even a reader can't tell the difference that easily. Like the one asked about Pluto, I think its an opinion.
Heres what I think though, If someone says something is true and another one disagrees, you can easily tell that the argument is an opinion.
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Posted 11/26/06
Yea I wrote up a page on this but I'll just post the practical part unless others are interested in my thoughts about my 'question' and both responses.

OK to make this practical, back to the first post in this thread. If you have followed my discussion, I think one will easily come to the conclusion that its only natural (or at least typical) that people present their opinions as fact. You think they are going to bother to examine their assumptions and framework that their beliefs (opinions) are based off of? Honestly, rarely does that happen. As I have stated in another thread, our theorizing is underdetermined, meaning that we typically don't give nearly enough reasons for our beliefs. Its typical to overdetermine, stating that this is the way things are without adequate reasoning behind the statement. I agree with bellus-vae that it often bascially comes down to the reader to judge...

Perhaps what you are really concerned about most is BULLSHIT. I own this gem of a book: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html

From the philosphynow review of the book: "Frankfurt regards this ‘indifference to how things really are’, as the essence of bullshit. Furthermore, a lie is necessarily false, but bullshit is not – bullshit may happen to be correct or incorrect. The crux of the matter is that bullshitters hide their lack of commitment to truth. Since bullshitters ignore truth instead of acknowledging and subverting it, bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies."
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^ On Bullshit was so short and yet so sweet...Best $10 I've ever spent.
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